http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/comment/index BangTheTable.com - Providing the community and government with a new way to engage in public policy debate http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/article/guest-book28 Steve said "Placing Captain Cook statue @ St Kilda pier into Immigration Museum Diversity Day in St Kilda Town Hall this year diverse, rather than niche/individual marketing with a niche/individual audience" 2012-05-03 16:49:31 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-do-you-think-of-the-draft-port-melbourne-waterfront-udf dolphin said "The proposed development for Waterfront Place is a major concern for planning. This development was originally for the community benefit. Now it is for the the commercial interests of an investment group without care for the impact upon residents of the immediate area. It is in short, a blot on the waterfront, compromisising the integrity the Beacon Cove- Port Melbourne develpments on the waterfont. It is hugely out of character, and has negative impact on the - Asthetic design of Port Melbourne, people and car traffic congestion, sunlight impact on surrounding residenses. Port Melbourn council should be promoting a facitiy that has possitve community impact, enhancing the vibrant cosmopolitan entrance of the sea port to the city of Melbourne. We need a low rise development taht support the community interest. Regards Steve Dillon" 2012-03-16 17:32:57 +1100 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/do-you-have-any-tips-you-can-share-that-could-help-others-respond-to-future-heatwave-storm-or-flood-events Adrian Jackson said "Its F1-GP fun time Vroom Vroom again; but could the council make sure that drains in shopping strips, like Armstrong St, Middle Park, are unblocked as today and yesterday the leaves build up causes some flooding. Residents of Middle Park want to shop without having to wear gumboots and we need to present ourselves as a city well for the wonderful Grand Prix an event that most residents vote for in state election (Labour & Liberal voters). " 2012-03-16 16:43:59 +1100 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-are-the-issues-that-should-be rohanstorey said "One of the best things about St Kilda Rd, along with its wide, tree-lined nature, is that the matching lot sizes, matching setbacks and consistent height limits have created a visual consistency of built form in the main stretch of the street. The highest buildings are no higher than 60m, which is not overly dominating, they are all at least 9m apart, and mostly occupy single lots. Many of those on double lots have a symmetrical form, such that the rhythm of buildings is maintained. The only thing missing is a consistently high quality of design, a very hard thing to ensure. This consistency should be maintained, and the 60m height should be maintained as an appropriate one that allows the street itself, the trees and garden settings, to remain dominant. There are however lower height limits on different sections, notably the 40m limit on Queens Road, where the intention is to 'step down'; I am not sure that this is entirely necessary, as the stepping down currently does not appear to to be visually strong, and perhaps could be re-examined - perhaps Queens Rd should just be 60m as well, or the steeping down occur within the blocks on Queens Rd, which has a far stronger visual effect. I have also been of the view fro some time that teh Domain interchange adn teh junction itself are appropriate 'nodes' where buildings taller than the 60m could be contemplated; the Domain area already has a cluster of taller towers. DDO4-1 and DDO3-7 could have a maximum of 80 or 100 or even no limit. At the junction end, instead of an absolute hight limit, controls could perhaps simply be about no totally overshadowing parkland and housing to the south." 2012-03-06 12:10:52 +1100 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/do-you-have-any-tips-you-can-share-that-could-help-others-respond-to-future-heatwave-storm-or-flood-events lyn said "During flooding...move parked cars to nature-strip, hopefully above water line and also out way of any traffic (esp. emergency vehicles). We have also invested in some 'instant sandbags' - hopefully will not have to use! These are available through Brotherhood of St Laurence - Floodsax. Know where buckets and plastic dropcloths are. During heatwave...we only have fans but have recently made some fly-screens with shadecloth instead of flywire. These will go on our west facing windows. Much, much cheaper alternative to canvas blinds. As a bonus they are also good looking inside and out. " 2012-01-18 23:58:23 +1100 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/do-you-have-any-tips-you-can-share-that-could-help-others-respond-to-future-heatwave-storm-or-flood-events Adrian Jackson said "Having a 4WD Range Rover is a good idea as you can plough through any flood water that you cant do on a pedal bike (ha ha). A ladder positioned handy in the house would be useful to get onto the roof, if in the unlikely event there is a flood, or the roof need some quick repairs (not during lightning though as you might get zapped). Drink water instead of beer in a heatwave. Keep your drain out front unblocked and if it is blocked direct the council to fix it. House down pipes need to be kept unblocked too. I have a dingy and 2 oars in my garage as well as a chain saw." 2012-01-18 18:29:12 +1100 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/how-did-you-behave-and-respond-to-the-last-heatwave-storm-or-flood-you-experienced Adrian Jackson said "I don't have air conditioning but have a few fans. I had pink bat insulation put into the ceiling space only 2 years ago. When its hot I close the blinds, doors and windows during the day and open them in the evening. I do not have a flooding problem in my street in Middle Park as it it a foot or so higher than nearby streets that flood sometimes. This should be checked before buying a house as I did. I keep my house gutters clear of leaves to prevent/reduce leaking problems and I had my roof tiles cleaned re mortared and sealed recently. During hot weather I keep the food in the fridge to a minium and eat out more." 2012-01-18 18:20:05 +1100 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/any-suggestions-on-how-our-online-weather-information-kit-could-be-more-helpful-to-you Adrian Jackson said "An on line information kit would not be helpful if there is a power failure at home. I suggest a hard copy be made available in the Divercity Magazine." 2012-01-18 18:10:17 +1100 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/any-suggestions-on-how-our-online-weather-information-kit-could-be-more-helpful-to-you lyn said "I am surprised this is the final kit. I was looking for information pertinent to my home and could not find anything specific (flooding in Elster Creek/Elwood canal). Continual reference to Melbourne Water documents which turned out to be pages and pages of high level discussion became tedious to read through. " 2012-01-18 01:15:13 +1100 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/tell-us-what-you-think-is-important-about-living-in-port-melbourne that other guy said "There is much to like about the recent draft UDF for Port Melbourne put forward by the council. However, against the overwhelming opinion from the community, Council has proposed removing the 3 storey limit at the old gymnasium/crèche site in Beacon Cove and will allow 2 towers of 10 and 14 storeys! Refer to pages 51 to 56 of the draft. I reject this blatant disregard of the consultation process and am extremely disappointed with the CoPP position. I support the BCNA in their opposition to this inappropriate development." 2011-12-25 23:03:07 +1100 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/tell-us-what-you-think-is-important-about-living-in-port-melbourne Adrian Jackson said "I agree with juszz. Also the $34 million crappy development of Princes Pier is a waste of taxpayer money (See my comment in the Herald Sun, Black & White section, dated 09 Dec 11). The shortened 195m long pier is to small for a ship or even a millionaires pleasure motor yacht to tie up at which is the purpose of a pier. There are 20 or so massive concrete planter boxes on the pier with a tree planted in them - why? Graffiti vandals will deface them and this limits the type of event that could be held in the pier as large marquees would not be able to be used. There is still not decision on the use of the battle ship grey painted gatehouse building. Surely this should have been decided at the beginning of the design phase. The pier pylons seaward with no decking are a navigation hazard for small boat at night too. This is another socialist folly but former local MP John Thwaites. If you cant have a real pier then it would be better to have no pier at all " 2011-12-09 12:55:22 +1100 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/which-of-the-foreshore-management-plan-actions-need-to-be-changed-to-better-reflect-the-communitys-expectations bru said "Biodegradable plastic poo bags for dogs to replace existing rolls of plastic bags on beaches. Ban glass and plastic as well as cigarettes on beaches. Maintain bushes around footpaths on foreshore enabling more than one or two to walk unimpeded. Signs in Mandarin, Hindi and Farsi for foreign tourists regarding parking, rubbish, toilets, safe swimming areas. Seating placed under shaded/rainproof cover. Signs placed prior to New Year's Eve asking tourists to pick up their trash especially plastic party favours." 2011-11-30 15:18:00 +1100 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/which-of-the-foreshore-management-plan-actions-need-to-be-changed-to-better-reflect-the-communitys-expectations Adrian Jackson said "South Melbourne Beach should be renamed Middle Park beach and Albert Park beach. South Melbourne suburb (in and around Clarendon St) has no beach while Albert Park and Middle Park both have a beach. We have Elwood, St Kilda, West St Kilda, Port Melbourne and Sandridge beaches so why no official name for Middle Park and Albert Park beaches. Kerferd Rd would be a good boundary between the two new beaches although Mill St is the real boundary between Middle Park and Albert Park suburbs. I note that the Herald Sun EPA reports refer to Middle Park beach too. " 2011-11-30 13:27:49 +1100 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/which-of-the-foreshore-management-plan-actions-need-to-be-changed-to-better-reflect-the-communitys-expectations Adrian Jackson said "Where do you swim Ollee?" 2011-11-30 13:18:40 +1100 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/which-of-the-foreshore-management-plan-actions-need-to-be-changed-to-better-reflect-the-communitys-expectations Adrian Jackson said "Hi Practique -That is why I call them watercraft not vessels. I live in Middle Park too and our beach is not used by sun tanners and bathers like it used to be in the early 1980's when I moved to the area. Then the area around Kerferd Rd pier used to be like Bondi but not now. I walk or drive along Beaconsfield Rd regularly and the beach is mostly deserted except for the dogs and their handlers. I am not a jet skier and I cant even swim well but I did some sailing in the 1980/90's from RMYS and I did not come into shore as the keel hitting the sand or rocks would strand my yacht but I saw only a few motor boats coming into shore at Middle Park and no jet skis. I think that there are a dozen or so jet skis near St Kilda Marina as that is were they can launch watercraft. " 2011-11-30 13:16:51 +1100 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/which-of-the-foreshore-management-plan-actions-need-to-be-changed-to-better-reflect-the-communitys-expectations Practique said "Adrian Jackson has responded to my comments about motorised watercraft (especially jet skis) in areas intensively used by swimmers. Of course, there are speed limits imposed but my point is that the water police have no prospects of managing so many sites and so many vessels (strange word to use with jet skis) on the days when the beaches are heavily used. It is a nonsense to suggest that policing speed limits is a feasible measure of protecting vulnerable families." 2011-11-30 12:29:19 +1100 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/which-of-the-foreshore-management-plan-actions-need-to-be-changed-to-better-reflect-the-communitys-expectations Adrian Jackson said "Speed limits on all motorized watercraft should be enforced, particularly when approaching a beach. I think it is something like 2kph once you get 200 metres from the shore. Also 0.05 booze rules should apply to all beach users whether they are swimmers or masters of watercraft. Sun tanning drunk, swimming drunk or sailing drunk is not on." 2011-11-30 12:09:18 +1100 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/which-of-the-foreshore-management-plan-actions-need-to-be-changed-to-better-reflect-the-communitys-expectations Adrian Jackson said "I notice concerns with the work done in Swanston St, Melbourne, this week as problems are evident with bikes and pedestrian on the new road treatment that extends the footpath to the tram tracks. Bike and pedestrians on the same foot path don't mix. Similar problems occur on Southbank promenade and Princes Bridge. This is further justification NOT to turn Pier Rd, St Kilda, into another cyclist hell ride strip where pedestrians and cyclists are mixed and both put at risk. Also we have state laws introduced in the early days of the Bracks Government that cyclists are banned from riding on footpath (except for toddlers on tricycles and the like)." 2011-11-30 11:59:49 +1100 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/which-of-the-foreshore-management-plan-actions-need-to-be-changed-to-better-reflect-the-communitys-expectations Ollee said "Jet skis have to go! They are too dangerous and noisy, I have nearly been hit whilst swimming twice now. Also, we need to place nets on all storm water outlets to catch the rubbish before it hits the sand. It works well in NSW, lets do it here." 2011-11-30 09:05:08 +1100 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/which-of-the-foreshore-management-plan-actions-need-to-be-changed-to-better-reflect-the-communitys-expectations Steve said "Emphasis on natural (with beach grooming) as artificial surfaces increase eg. at Albert Park and proud recognition of Aboriginal culture as the foreshore continues to be around after thousands of years." 2011-11-24 15:55:08 +1100 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/which-of-the-foreshore-management-plan-actions-need-to-be-changed-to-better-reflect-the-communitys-expectations petert said "The Foreshore Management plan doesn't address a very important mistake, namely the ugly boat sheds that currently exist at the St Kilda Marina. This issue is best explained in the following paragraph taken from the excellent book "St Kilda - the show goes on - the history of St Kilda, Volume 3 1930 -1983" page 202 by "Anne Longmire". " Another substantial portion of the foreshore was alienated from the public and leased to private interests when the Marina was constructed. The City Engineer, Maurice Moran, convinced Councilors that land reclaimed from the sea opposite Marine Parade should be leased to a private enterprise to develop wet and dry pens to store boats, rather than for the establishment of a recreation area and plantations as originally proposed in the 1950s. The concept of a Marina was American and the St Kilda version was modelled on the floating dock system at Long beach , California. The St Kilda land Act (1965) authorised the venture, and the State Government finally approved the tender of the only applicant to develop the twenty acre site in 1968, granting a lease until 2019. The first stage was opened in 1969 and provided the the only facilities of its type in Australia: concrete sea walls surrounded wet pens for about two hundred boats, and dry storage was provided in triple tiered racks for another two hundred smaller craft which were retrieved by fork lift. A recreation area was developed by Council on the remaining twenty five acres of the original forty five which had been reclaimed". " 2011-11-23 15:38:00 +1100 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/which-of-the-foreshore-management-plan-actions-need-to-be-changed-to-better-reflect-the-communitys-expectations Adrian Jackson said "Rogue speeding cyclists are a problem on the foreshore paths. They should be booted off the footpaths back onto residential roads were they belong. Any new proposal to build more bike paths on the foreshore should be opposed. " 2011-11-22 17:57:29 +1100 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/which-of-the-foreshore-management-plan-actions-need-to-be-changed-to-better-reflect-the-communitys-expectations tamirberkman said "I hope somewhere in this plan is an establishment of some shaded areas along the beach. It's amazing how hard it is to find a shaded place that isn't a bar/restaurant along port Phillip the esplanade and Elwood strip." 2011-11-22 13:52:49 +1100 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/which-of-the-foreshore-management-plan-actions-need-to-be-changed-to-better-reflect-the-communitys-expectations april said "I have concerns around storm water dump spots on the beaches, which have been substantiated by recent EPA (bad) ratings of the majority of Port Phillip Beaches - and indeed, beaches from Port Melbourne to Frankston. In some cases, the health of the foreshore requires actions inland. As a more lighthearted note, it would be neat to have aspects of Meyer Eidelson's Port Phillip Walks more clearly represented along the foreshore, e.g. spots of natural/heritage/Aboriginal importance. As a new resident, it has been primarily by word of mouth that I learn about the foreshore history and major issues (positive and negative)." 2011-11-22 10:33:17 +1100 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/which-of-the-foreshore-management-plan-actions-need-to-be-changed-to-better-reflect-the-communitys-expectations Practique said "I overlook the Middle Park beach and notice an increasing number of jetskis coming into the beach around the Sandbar cafe. Many of them are speeding in or out of the restricted speed area and I think there is a serious risk associated with their operation in an area where a large number of families are swimming. It doesn't make sense to me to have motorised vehicles using an area of beach that is intensively used by swimmers. This is not strictly a foreshore area issue but I think Council should take up this matter with Parks Victoria and the Transport Safety Department before there is a major accident." 2011-11-16 11:03:03 +1100 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-are-the-issues-that-should-be Apartment said "We need development and density to save the planet. Density will lead to better public transport and less urban sprawl. A height limit of 10 stories is too limiting. If one needs a limit at all something in the order of 24 - 30 along St Kilda Road, particularly up my end - the Union Street end." 2011-11-15 19:30:41 +1100 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/which-of-the-foreshore-management-plan-actions-need-to-be-changed-to-better-reflect-the-communitys-expectations Adrian Jackson said "Pier Rd does need an upgrade but it should still remain a road for car to park away from dangerous Beaconsfield Pde and to sit and watch the sunset and beach activities from the car. The kiddies and adults going to Catani Gardens, St Kilda Pier and West Beach Pavilion are better protected from accidents on Pier Rd. Open up St Kilda Pier breakwater to access for penguin viewing, fishing and a nice stroll. The breakwater should have a path and metre high fencing each side of the path to keep visitors on the path. Remove all dirty vagrants from council public facilities in parks. A backpacker van parking area is needed in Port Phillip. Pier Rd is used informally in summer and it appears to work OK but another location is the car park near St Kilda Marina and the car park near the Royal Life Saving HQ on Sandridge beach (near the White Reserve). Adult exercise stations spaced along the foreshore (1/2km apart) from West Beach to Port Melbourne and a similar one south of Donovan's and toward Elwood are needed (like the one around Albert Park lake). The micky mouse exercise station near the new toilets on Middle Park beach is for kiddies not adults (the chin up bar is to low for example) and having all the exercise stations in one location is not a good option (it is not a kiddies playground or just a photo opportunity location for politicians and councillors). " 2011-11-09 21:44:14 +1100 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/which-of-the-foreshore-management-plan-actions-need-to-be-changed-to-better-reflect-the-communitys-expectations rogerab said "Happy with the overall plan, but there maybe issues in the fine details later.. But keep up the good work " 2011-11-09 15:17:02 +1100 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/do-you-have-any-ideas-for-reducing-community-greenhouse-emissions-through-transport-waste-electricity-gas-or-other Matty Jowett said "http://www.beyondzeroemissions.org/" 2011-10-23 21:11:13 +1100 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/do-you-have-any-ideas-for-reducing-community-greenhouse-emissions-through-transport-waste-electricity-gas-or-other Matty Jowett said "I also think this is a fantastic idea. Second that motion!" 2011-10-23 20:23:31 +1100 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/port-phillip-a-low-carbon-city-by-2020-what-does-a-low-carbon-city-look-like-in-2020-what-is-our-built-form-like-what-are-we-doing-differently Sam Tomas said "A Low Carbon City's goal should be to be a Carbon Neutral City. This would be widely known and promoted, it must be made absolutely clear that we are no longer debating whether or not global warming is real anymore and we are now debating how best to tackle it. As per the other comments on here the council should get green on everything, though grey in the case of water, change your offices and other properties/assets to 100% renewable energy. Install solar panels on all government land where applicable & lead by example. Also of course public transport will need to have a huge emphasis in a carbon neutral city and so will need huge investment to ensure it is both sufficient and efficient. I think Port Phillip being formed partly of Federal electorate of Melbourne which is currently held by the Greens should be an indicator as to what the people want. Make our target Carbon Neutral and really show the rest of Australia and the world what we can achieve." 2011-10-23 19:39:37 +1100 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/do-you-have-any-ideas-for-reducing-community-greenhouse-emissions-through-transport-waste-electricity-gas-or-other Sam Tomas said ""* Tool and appliance lending libraries. There are many nifty tools I want to use... sometimes. Like a food dehydrator, or a circular saw. Most of these tools live in storage between projects. There could be a physical library - like the classic book system model or ELNC toy library - or a robust lending system facilitated online a la The Sharehood." I love this idea. It reduces the collection of people's one off specific purpose items, items that may have been used one time for a specific and usually infrequent task (power saw, sander, mountain bikes, steam cleaners... anything) and after use would sit unused in someone's back shed." 2011-10-23 19:24:56 +1100 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/port-phillip-a-low-carbon-city-by-2020-what-does-a-low-carbon-city-look-like-in-2020-what-is-our-built-form-like-what-are-we-doing-differently Matty Jowett said "Ooh I can't believe I forgot to mention electric cars for council operated services. I agree. I mentioned car share programs these should be electric too." 2011-10-23 18:37:51 +1100 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/port-phillip-a-low-carbon-city-by-2020-what-does-a-low-carbon-city-look-like-in-2020-what-is-our-built-form-like-what-are-we-doing-differently Matty Jowett said "More bikes, more greenery, more focus on local and collaborative consumption, more frequent public transit (Elwood connected to tram system!), it's state level not local gov but trains and trams running on renewable, after reading the report from Melbourne University (www.beyondzeroemissions.org) and seeing Brisbane City Council's efforts to become carbon neutral I wonder why we're looking at low carbon by 2020 and not carbon neutral by 2020? Obviously council offices and council maintained property running off solar and using grey water systems. I see a lot more greenery in the picture, more efficient city planning with a focus around more efficient travel and increasing access to facilities through community collaborative programs while simultaneously increasing density. Green laundrettes, community gardens growing local organic food, bike share programs, many many more solar panels on roofs, and the federal government nearing completion on a new upgraded national grid so that we can all benefit from windy and sunny areas elsewhere in the country capable of producing higher levels of energy than other areas. Basic underlying of what we are doing differently? Collaborating and sharing and accessing instead of competing, hoarding and claiming ownership." 2011-10-23 18:36:25 +1100 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/do-you-have-any-ideas-for-reducing-community-greenhouse-emissions-through-transport-waste-electricity-gas-or-other Matty Jowett said "It's still not ideal though, it's a great start but Melbourne Uni published recently a report that put a full analysis of cost and resources for a transformation of the entire nation from its current fossil fuel consumption of energy to 100% renewable solar and wind powered nation including baseload power, www.beyondzeroemissions.org you can download a full PDF copy." 2011-10-23 18:17:24 +1100 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/do-you-have-any-ideas-for-reducing-community-greenhouse-emissions-through-transport-waste-electricity-gas-or-other Matty Jowett said "I actually grew up near Lake Eildon in Marysville which was decimated by the Black Fire Saturdays, and to see after these fires that were fuelled by RECORD high temperatures and RECORD long draughts, and after RECORD floods in QLD that covered areas the size of France and Germany, to hear after these incidents that people still (in the face all all the scientific evidence that has been emerging for 20 years) say climate change is not happening or that our consumption and growth as human species has nothing to do with it, to hear this is incredibly sad. Real World needs to come back to the Real World where lives are being affected by climate change, who will you sell coal to Real World when masses of people are homeless climate refugees?" 2011-10-23 18:14:03 +1100 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/do-you-have-any-ideas-for-reducing-community-greenhouse-emissions-through-transport-waste-electricity-gas-or-other Matty Jowett said "Unfortunately "Real World" is quite inaccurate in his/her comments no doubt he/she is coal lobbyist. Climate Scientists have a vast majority coming to consensus on this matter. Carbon Dioxide is a natural gas, yes, however natural composition of the atmosphere contains a certain level of the gas, plants do convert CO2 to O2 (or Oxygen) however with increased deforestation and increased use of fossil fuels which release carbon that was locked underground for millions of years into the air as CO2, the natural balance and composition of the atmosphere is changed. This is not a space for debate therefore I will simply say that anyone who wants to see the EVIDENCE that "Real World" claims doesnt exist you can read the "Climate Commission: The Critical Decade" released by Will Steffen, Climate Commissioner, additionally if you'd like to look into potential solutions you can download a copy of the Zero Carbon Australia Stationary Energy Plan prepared by Melbourne University: www.beyondzeroemissions.org "Real World" our world is finite, our planet is Earth, come back to it. Now onto my suggestions, Community Gardens, collaborative consumption style car share programs, Bike shares, Bike Repair stations, engaging community groups like Veg Out Gardens, Australian Youth Climate Coalition (who have recently launched a St Kilda group) and EcoCentre to run more public education sessions and workshops to create community wide cultural change, community composts, something like SeeClickFix to facilitate community fixer groups, more collaborative consumption focused programs like lending/share services, community beach clean ups." 2011-10-23 18:08:50 +1100 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/port-phillip-a-low-carbon-city-by-2020-what-does-a-low-carbon-city-look-like-in-2020-what-is-our-built-form-like-what-are-we-doing-differently DrRossH said "Getting utilites over to renewables is necessary. For gas consumption, paying the carbon offsets is really the only option. An advertising campaign for green electric energy would be beneficial. Most people don't know about it and what it really is. As for council operated vehicles, small cars could be replaced with electic cars with the Mitsubishi and Nissan models about to come out. It would help for the council to be seen as leaders fo rthis. These will be too expensive for the average consumer to purchase however. Promote smaller electic modes of transport such as scooters, Segways, for people to do their local commuting." 2011-10-04 14:49:04 +1100 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/do-you-have-any-ideas-for-reducing-community-greenhouse-emissions-through-transport-waste-electricity-gas-or-other DrRossH said "It is not the solid particulates in coal or other fossil fuels that make the climate change problem. While those particles are there and do make for an unpleasant local environment, it is the CO2 rising to high in the atmosphere and spreading around the globe to trap radiation from being reflected back out into space that is causing the global climate problem. Whether China does it or India it will affect the globe. With leaders like Australia and others, over time other countries will finally agree and take their own action. It just won't be tomorrow. Nuclear? The risks are real for a accident such as we just saw in Japan. Where are we going to store the spent material. Who is going to come up with the huge amount of funds to construct nuclear plants? Private companies? If so they will be charging a lot for their power. We don’t' need them we can produce the same from renewables just like Germany and Denmark are doing now. " 2011-10-04 14:30:31 +1100 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/do-you-have-any-ideas-for-reducing-community-greenhouse-emissions-through-transport-waste-electricity-gas-or-other DrRossH said "Sorry to see there are still people like this around. CO2 is not a pollutant that is true. It is classed as a toxic gas. Without CO2 in our atm, our air temperature would be around zero C. So we need some CO2 to get the air warm as it is now for life. Mars has little CO2 in its atm and it is a cold climate sub zero. Venus on the other hand is about 500 deg C and it is a CO2 rich atm. In the early stages of the earth, CO2 was higher and the planet was hot. As biota formed and we transformed to an oxygen environment, the carbon was pulled out of the atm and stored in solid form and our atm temp fell. About 20 million years ago, CO2 concentrations were high and the earth’s average climate was 22 deg c or about 12 deg hotter than now. Then as the CO2 was reduced over the eons the temp came down to what we are used to today. Now all of a sudden we are dumping 30 billion toms of CO2 back into the atmosphere per year when it took millions of years to get it out. That just can’t be a good thing to do. NASA satellites measure there is missing radiation reflected back from the earth in the frequency that CO2 absorbs the radiation. Where has it gone? The whole functioning of the earth today is dependent on maintaining the status quo. If we change one factor then a lot of other factors will adjust. It has been like this for many 100s of thousands of years with little blips up and down due to other factors like the earth’s wobble causing shorter (10,000 years or so) climate change events such as ice ages and droughts with El Nino currents affecting temperatures. They are still going on today but just superimposed on top of the effect of high CO2 levels in the atm. But we have never seen temperature rises with in 30 year time periods as we are seeing now. 3 of the earth’s average hottest years on record are in the last 10 years. While these type of temp recordings may not prove an absolute 1 to 1 relation with CO2 levels, when it is coupled in with the changing climate of bigger storms, more flooding, more frequent storms, more droughts, bigger forest fires in the same time period, one would have to be prudent and say yes there is a relationship here and it is going to be very very expensive to not acknowledge this and try to mitigate it rather than let it go unchecked and say oops when CO2 is 700 ppm and the earth is a hot dry place. We won't be here but is that fair to those that will be? There is actually a huge consensus of scientists on climate change. The reason that people say there is not is the deniers are the most vocal and are a few in minority. The silent majority is in agreement on this issue. It is hard for a layperson to get an understanding on this due to this vocal minority and with much of the media owned by News Corp, the media is not giving an unbiased opinion either." 2011-10-04 14:22:31 +1100 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/do-you-have-any-ideas-for-reducing-community-greenhouse-emissions-through-transport-waste-electricity-gas-or-other DrRossH said "A couple of points to consider here. Methane as a energy source is better than other fossil fuels as far as emmissions go. So if we can get to using methane rather than coal or diesel as a energy source we are better off. A modern landfill with active liquid recirculation will produce methane and many landfills now are capturing that methane as a source to produce energy. THis is 'free' energy in that it is energy we are getting that we never had before and this will displace generating energy from another source like coal or oil. Plus being methane and not coal it is the cleanest of the fossil fuel energies that we can get. Hence in some cases such as this methane can be a good thing as long as the capture is done efficiently." 2011-10-04 13:50:47 +1100 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/marina-reserve-st-kilda-picnic-and-play-space-do-you-have-any-questions-or-comments-on-the-draft-detailed-design-plans-of-the-picnic-and-play-space Mr J said "hello Petert, regarding your issue 2, I take the viewpoint that a primary motivation of council for the St Kilda skate space is to provide something for the youth age group, because they are the demographic who are very much under-represented when it comes to providing public facilities. In contrast there are play spaces for the very young in numerous locations including one planned for this Marina reserve. However the skate space will have something for the very young and older skater too. I was not present at meeting 3 and felt unable to properly assess the online design because it lacked detail such as tranny radius and heights, so what I did was contact Renton Millar who has been working closely with Convic on the design and he gave me an in-depth explanation. Every obstacle/feature type in the Marina reserve skate space will have an entry level section or variant as well as coming in higher difficulty levels, thus there will be something for every ability level. This is something I advocated in one of the council meetings earlier this year although I believe Mr Millar and Convic arrived at this design methodology independently. When this level of variation is provided a compromise has to be made on obstacle/feature types, but I think this is a preferable methodology for the needs of the community. The compromise in this situation is the street obstacles, however I explained why a tranny based park made sense in the online forum for meeting 2. The very young are frequently on scooters and tranny is very conducive to scooter use. So there is then your question of safety for the very young. Certainly I would expect the very young to be accompanied by parents and they should insist that their children wear helmets. However if it is mixing with the older more experienced skaters that is your concern then the answer is education (eg look out before entering an obstacle, wait for turns etc). I have never seen a skatepark that attempts to segregate the different age groups - a beginner is a beginner whether they are 8 or 18. As I explained in my post for meeting 2 entry level obstacles are used by experts too - the experts take the opportunity to perform more intricate tricks on the same obstacle. What I have seen however is a park that is so limited with only micro-sized obstacles that it attracts mainly the young - an example of this is Jan-Juc skatepark on the surf-coast and this works that way because a couple of kilometres away is Torquay skatepark with a greater variety of difficulty levels thus the youth tend to visit Jan-Juc skatepark - although there is nothing stopping older skaters from using Jan-Juc and I an adult have also used it. Similarly the very young also use Torquay skatepark. Providing something similar to the very limited Jan-Juc park in the hope of limiting its use to the very young at the marina reserve is not a reasonable solution given that St Kilda does not have a skatepark. Skateparks do get crowded in the afternoon on weekends and school holidays, so a good time for a beginner of any age to go is earlier in the day, however if there is a need for something like Jan Juc then maybe we should have one somewhere else when the Marina park is completed, we do need more skateparks!" 2011-09-27 14:02:31 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/marina-reserve-st-kilda-picnic-and-play-space-do-you-have-any-questions-or-comments-on-the-draft-detailed-design-plans-of-the-picnic-and-play-space petert said "There are two issues of concern that are not addressed within the current draft design plan: 1. The Minister (Ryan Smith) in his letter dated 17/6/2011 approving the master plan application specified a number of conditions, one of which was, "Provision of an additional 300m2 garden bed to separate the active and passive recreational areas". This garden bed is not currently part of the draft design plan. 2. I still don't believe that the current design of skate space adequately caters for the very young (under 8 years) and that the design of the skate space should cater for this group. (as per the orginal tender issued 3/10/09) They should not be placed in a dangerous situation (risk of injury or harm) and that this issue should be a fundamental design issue and not simply left to an educational consideration. " 2011-09-26 11:03:24 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/marina-reserve-st-kilda-draft-operations-plan-do-you-have-any-questions-or-comments-on-the-draft-operations-plan Peter said "Marina Reserve Advisory group Consists • Councillor officer (or more). • Ward Councillor (or alternate) • Resident of Marine Parade in immediate vicinity • Resident from the broader community (Friends of Marine Reserve and Peanut Farm) • Representative Skaters • Representative Dog Owners • Representative DSE • Police Tasks • Advise Council generally on the Marine Reserve • Advise Council on the Operations Plan which will cover all day to day use, management and maintenance of the car park, gates, toilet, skateable infrastructure, BBQs and any other areas within the Marine Reserve. • There should be a single senior Council officer with overall responsibility for the Marine Reserve. That officer should be responsible for channelling matters to the appropriate sections within Council or the state government. The task of the Advisory Group is to assist that council officer. • Draft a Code of Etiquette for Skaters • Liaise with similar bodies in other municipalities The residents could be encouraged to form a broad-based group called the Friends of Marine Reserve and Peanut Farm. Many issues such youth recreation, maintenance, graffiti etc are common to both of these public spaces. A representative of this group could be on the Marine Reserve Advisory Group. This would not be a council-sponsored group, it should be one that the residents control. " 2011-09-25 13:24:32 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/marina-reserve-st-kilda-picnic-and-play-space-do-you-have-any-questions-or-comments-on-the-draft-detailed-design-plans-of-the-picnic-and-play-space Marine said "Despite the directive to not impact sight lines, the gazebo is still included in the plan for the picnic area. The whole of St kilda beach and Marina Reserve have functioned for years without the need for shade structures. Why on earth does the park now suddenly need some unsightly wooden pergola? This is even more questionable than the ludicrous shade cloth installed at great expense to ratepayers in Catani Gardens. The problem could be solved by not removing and/or destroying a number of the already long exisiting natural shade structures - you know, those things called trees..." 2011-09-24 00:16:22 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/marina-reserve-st-kilda-draft-operations-plan-do-you-have-any-questions-or-comments-on-the-draft-operations-plan Marine said "The draft operations plan should be called the daft operations plan. All it repeatedly gives is the solution to call the Police after hours if there is a problem. The Police in St Kilda have enough problems to deal with as it is without Council adding to their workload. As was previously noted, Council is completely sidestepping all issues regarding security in the park and trying to palm the onus off onto residents to become some form of quasi monitoring system. It does beg the question as to what the purpose of this forum is, as it seems very little if any of the concerns raised up to the September 21 meeting in this forum have been addressed, or for that matter even acknowledged by Council. They are the ones who seem determined to steamroll this development through regardless of the concerns of those affected the most - us, the local residents and property owners. As a result they MUST take some form of responsibility for the security of the area, including outside the normal operation hours of the ASSIST phone line. " 2011-09-24 00:08:36 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/marina-reserve-st-kilda-toilet-do-you-have-any-questions-or-comments-on-the-draft-detailed-design-for-the-toilet Marine said "The proposed location for this ugly brown building is 280 meters from the already existing toilets at Donovans. All we keep hearing about is how healthy skating is, so why is it they can't go that distance to a toilet? It's totally goes against the directive of not impacting sight lines, and I feel absolutely sorry for the owners of 23 and 24 Marine Pde who will have it as part of the view they once enjoyed straight out the front of their properties. The fact the Council is placing multiple sharps disposal bins in the toilets is an admission that they will likely be used for drug abuse, despite constant pledges that the development won't attract antisocial or dangerous patrons and behaviour. We don't have anywhere down here currently that people can use as a place to shoot up, and we'd really prefer the council didn't use our rates to build somewhere for them out the front of our homes." 2011-09-23 23:58:14 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/do-you-have-any-ideas-for-reducing-community-greenhouse-emissions-through-transport-waste-electricity-gas-or-other hungrydog said "We need to reduce organic waste going to landfill. I'm part of a community composting project, but even if this works, a small fraction of people will use it. Good for raising awareness, not so good for reducing emissions. Food and garden waste in landfill breaks down without oxygen to create methane, which is 23 times as potent a greenhouse gas as CO2. If the council is serious about reducing emissions, it needs to divert this organic waste from landfill and use a large scale composting scheme (or anaerobic digester and biogas plant) to do so. Is it serious?" 2011-09-22 10:12:34 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/toilet-do-you-have-any-questions-or-comments-on-the-preliminary-concept-plan-for-the-toilet save our park said "All of the community is aware the toilet facility it's not required, there are 2 toilets already in very close vicinity, the council is pushing it through as it builds the foundation for their tiny silly unusable skate bowl opposite our homes. The Fitzroy Street toilet is not going ahead. I appose the Toilet block on the Marina reserve for the same season. It's a real problem. The toilet is far to large and should be removed. Its obstruct my view of the beach and I want it removed. Are you listening council - Take it out. It's the size of a garage !!" 2011-09-13 19:03:36 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/skateable-space-do-you-have-any-questions-or-comments-on-the-skateable-space-component-of-the-draft-marina-reserve-detailed-design-plans save our park said "We are residents opposite the marina reserve. We want more grass and recreational space for family's and the general community. The Marina reserve is not a skate park . From the recent meetings the general consenus seems to be that the skater are not happy with the space and the residence are not happy because they now have a very limited area to utilise for recreation. We want it changed and reduced or removed. It humours the residents how we rally together attend meeting in mass to express our concerns about saving the park from being turned into a jungle or small poportion and then the coucil advises its decisions is based on this feedback! what are the meetings for? are you listening council!!! not sure about the council members at all." 2011-09-13 18:52:19 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/toilet-do-you-have-any-questions-or-comments-on-the-preliminary-concept-plan-for-the-toilet Marine said "Doesn't matter which end you put it at. It'll just become a gay beat within weeks anyway. Not somewhere I want my kids playing anywhere near." 2011-09-12 17:16:17 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/path-network-do-you-have-any-questions-or-comments-on-the-path-network-pedestrian-and-bike-path-component-of-the-draft-marina-reserve-detailed-design-plans anniestan said "Any bike path should be separate to pedestrian walking path. The shared area of the promenade is a disaster. Again, why isn't council putting safety and security at the top of the priority list? I can tell you why. It costs money to employ officers to enforce bi-laws outside normal hours, when most violations will take place. There was loud unison at the first council forum for a strong show of law enforcement to ensure residents didn't suffer, and reserve users were safe. And I suspect the main reason council is pushing for skateable space, in other words, concrete, because it is cheaper to maintain than vegetation, hence the concrete jungle on the foreshore." 2011-09-12 17:14:29 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/car-park-do-you-have-any-questions-or-comments-on-the-car-park-component-of-the-draft-marina-reserve-detailed-design-plans Marine said "Taking away parking spaces from the beach for summer...another brilliant move. Council stopped catering for residents years ago when they started charging us to park outside the properties we own. " 2011-09-12 17:04:18 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/skateable-space-do-you-have-any-questions-or-comments-on-the-skateable-space-component-of-the-draft-marina-reserve-detailed-design-plans Marine said "It's almost as if council is trying to rush it through to shut the skaters up, and be able to say "we gave you your park, you've had your chance now be quiet". I said in the Leader almost a year ago that the skaters were being given a sub standard site and space to shut them up, winning the battle but losing the war. They could have such a better world class park at the Lake that COULD hold international competitions, but instead they've been given a dinky excuse for a bowl on a windswept point that is unuseable half the time, not allowed to host comps, and most of them cheered about it. I guess they've been trying for so long they would have settled for just about anything.." 2011-09-12 17:00:42 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/skateable-space-do-you-have-any-questions-or-comments-on-the-skateable-space-component-of-the-draft-marina-reserve-detailed-design-plans anniestan said "I totally agree with Everyones Space and Marine Parade Residents. It seems to me council is hell bent on pushing through with 'skateable space' without due diligence to safety and security. In fact the whole draft MasterPlan seems to overlook the most critical factor - security and safety." 2011-09-12 16:45:25 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/car-park-do-you-have-any-questions-or-comments-on-the-car-park-component-of-the-draft-marina-reserve-detailed-design-plans petert said "As the current Marina Reserve car park will be significantly reduced from 120 places to 50, and visitors to Marina Reserve will be increasing due to using the new facilities, the actions that residents and others can take when street parking offences or problems occur should be specifically noted within the operations plan. e.g. who to contact and likely response times" 2011-09-12 16:16:48 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/other-infrastructure-do-you-have-any-questions-or-comments-on-the-other-infrastructure-including-lighting-seats-and-bins-component-of-the-draft-marina-reserve-detailed-design-plans Marine Parade Residents said "The lighting should not be the same as the promenade, again whilst it looks pretty there are NO residents living immediately opposite any of these lights.............come to my house and check out the lighting as it is now, it is bright enough!!" 2011-09-12 16:03:36 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/toilet-do-you-have-any-questions-or-comments-on-the-preliminary-concept-plan-for-the-toilet Marine Parade Residents said "With public toilets 50 meters down the path at Donovans southern end why is there a need for another toilet block in suck close proximity, if there is an apparent need surely further down the path on the Marina fenceline would be a far more appropriate place. And then if you dare say that there will be security issues with it next to a skate bowl I refer back to Council stating that there will be no security issues or "undesirables" hanging out at the skate bowl............can't have it both ways !!" 2011-09-12 15:59:28 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/skateable-space-do-you-have-any-questions-or-comments-on-the-skateable-space-component-of-the-draft-marina-reserve-detailed-design-plans Mr J said "Hello Greenspace, this message board hides replies by default, so maybe you didn't see my reply to PeterT (which you can click on the "Show . reply" link), which covers the subject of skatepark etiquette. Skatepark etiquette is something which allows users of different abilities to share infrastructure without the need for monitoring - the users regulate themselves without official monitors or supervisors. Visit Prahran or Riverslide next to Alexandra gardens in the City on a weekend afternoon and you will see this happen. I do however suggest considering the idea of providing information to the very young users on etiquette because they find it harder to pick up on this etiquette. I think its an operational issue and may just need leaflets, online information to users, some words on a notice board, encouraging the more experienced to offer advice to new users - I have received informal advice from others when starting out. These are just initial thoughts which I would like discussed further. On your point 2, 750m2 can potentially provide a very good experience - its slightly bigger than the concrete area of Prahran skatepark and Prahran skatepark is considered to be a very good park by local and visiting users. I am not a bowl rider so can't comment on the 2.1 depth and I'm going to wait on more detail which is promised by Convic in the next meeting before making a judgement on how diverse an experience the Marina park will provide - as yet we don't have tranny/flat bank heights and details of the street infrastructure yet" 2011-09-12 15:53:40 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/skateable-space-do-you-have-any-questions-or-comments-on-the-skateable-space-component-of-the-draft-marina-reserve-detailed-design-plans Marine Parade Residents said "Again I am unsure why the council feels it necessary to push this through why is it so high on their agenda? With the same amenities being available around all the open space at Albert Park lake, ie toilets public transport and no residents in cooee, why have it in this tiny peice of land in the first place. You are compromising what the skaters want because of size and certainly not winning any friends with the residents........clearly you don't wish to have further terms on council!!!" 2011-09-12 15:53:40 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/path-network-do-you-have-any-questions-or-comments-on-the-path-network-pedestrian-and-bike-path-component-of-the-draft-marina-reserve-detailed-design-plans Marine Parade Residents said "From what I can see on the site plans on line that are not very clear there is still plans for pedestrian lights across the city side (north) of Marine Parade and Blessington Street, again this takes up resident parking and as suggested by council the walkways and inclusion of this area should be started at the Marina fenceline, incorporating the whole area as foreshore. " 2011-09-12 15:48:00 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/car-park-do-you-have-any-questions-or-comments-on-the-car-park-component-of-the-draft-marina-reserve-detailed-design-plans Marine Parade Residents said "Whilst it looks very pretty its functionality will be a nightmare as soon is the sun is out, again I stress you have removed 100 plus car parks further along Jacka Blvd and visitors will still drive here and take residents spaces who are you catering for rate payers or visitors!" 2011-09-12 15:41:43 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/toilet-do-you-have-any-questions-or-comments-on-the-preliminary-concept-plan-for-the-toilet greenspace said "What safety measures have been done to ensure that this facility will only be used for purpose it is intended? Will there be needle bins installed in this facility?" 2011-09-11 17:30:03 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/car-park-do-you-have-any-questions-or-comments-on-the-car-park-component-of-the-draft-marina-reserve-detailed-design-plans greenspace said "No matter what design you end up with for a car park, the bottom line is that unless gates and lockdown regiment is in place (as is currently operations successfully), problems will occur with misusing this space for unacceptable behaviour, especially after hours. KEEP GATES & LOCKDOWN IN PLACE!" 2011-09-11 17:04:23 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/skateable-space-do-you-have-any-questions-or-comments-on-the-skateable-space-component-of-the-draft-marina-reserve-detailed-design-plans greenspace said "1. The idea presented by Convic to have a flow between different sections in quiet times and to be able to "session" individual pockets in busier times, suggests to me that this park will be monitored by person/s at all times. Who will take on this chore and at what extra cost to the community? 2. There seems to be a distinct feel that at 750m2, the skate boarding community are less than happy with the current allocation for skateable infrastructure being able to accommodate all levels of skaters, from beginners through to experienced (Allowing provision of street plaza/bowl and transition). I would also question the bowl depth of 2.1m being deep enough to offer a challenge to the more experienced skater. 3. The agenda, stated in the tender, was to offer diverse skating experiences from beginner to experienced skaters. This doesn't seem to have been achieved, and in fact won't be achieved on this site due to restrictions put in place by DSE." 2011-09-11 17:00:21 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/other-infrastructure-do-you-have-any-questions-or-comments-on-the-other-infrastructure-including-lighting-seats-and-bins-component-of-the-draft-marina-reserve-detailed-design-plans Marine said "Why is a 'shade structure' that will impact sight lines being introduced, when it wasn't on the original masterplan? " 2011-09-09 14:39:02 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/skateable-space-do-you-have-any-questions-or-comments-on-the-skateable-space-component-of-the-draft-marina-reserve-detailed-design-plans Marine said "I'd like to know what's going to be done to ensure people aren't skating over there at 2 am in the morning? The skateable area needs to be secured after dark in some way. Simply saying it won't be lit isn't good enough, some responsibility for securing the area after dark needs to be taken by Council. Who's going to pay when someone skates there after dark and breaks their neck? " 2011-09-09 14:34:30 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/skateable-space-do-you-have-any-questions-or-comments-on-the-skateable-space-component-of-the-draft-marina-reserve-detailed-design-plans Mr J said "hello Peter, I agree that contention for skatepark obstacles between beginners (usually the very young) and the more experienced skaters can occur when it is crowded. My suggestion is add this issue to the list of operations topics as an educational consideration, because skatepark designs with flow opportunities as was presented by Convic do not mean the park must be treated as such by all skaters, all it means is that there are flow opportunities for those who wish to discover and use them during quiet times. Even parks with limited flow opportunities can have the contention I mentioned. Many obstacles in a park are suitable for both beginner and expert eg. a beginner can roll down a flat bank whereas an expert will perform all sorts of intricate tricks on that same bank - both users will be challenged in their own individual way. To cope with crowded situations skateparks all over the world have adopted an unwritten etiquette where skaters take turns on the popular obstacles and give everyone of all standards a go. They also look out for others before taking a line across the park to avoid collissions. Novice skaters from the youth and older age group soon pick up this unwritten etiquette from their more experienced friends and watching others. However the very young (on both skateboards and scooters) haven't developed the perception to recognise this on their own and need instruction on park etiquette. In the situation where the parent who accompanies them is a skater then its no problem, however non-skating parents may not pick up on the park protocol and instead just focus on their child's safety. From the childs safety point of view this is fine as the experienced skaters will be looking out for the children anyway, but what happens is that the children and their parents will not realise the idea of taking turns and giving others who are waiting a go on the obstacle. This causes frustration to those waiting for a go. When I lived in California my local park made lessons available to the schoolchildren and the park ran in a very orderly manner observing the protocol. In this park I have seen a girl as young as 5 and boys of 7 or so take orderly turns on the obstacles in a crowded situation without direct supervision from their parents. I think they were too young to have received the organised lessons so I expect someone must have instructed them on the park etiquette. So I think the answer is to provide education and information on park etiquette for coping with crowded situations and how to do this can be an operational issue." 2011-09-09 14:20:36 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/toilet-do-you-have-any-questions-or-comments-on-the-preliminary-concept-plan-for-the-toilet everyones space said "PORT PHILLIP COUNCILLORS - AGAIN 'SECURITY AND SAFETY' - WHY IS THERE NOT A CATEGORY FOR THIS?" 2011-09-08 20:26:33 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/picnic-and-play-space-do-you-have-any-questions-or-comments-on-the-preliminary-concept-plan-for-the-picnic-and-play-space everyones space said "PORT PHILLIP COUNCILLORS - AGAIN 'SECURITY AND SAFETY' - WHY IS THERE NOT A CATEGORY FOR THIS?" 2011-09-08 20:26:05 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/other-infrastructure-do-you-have-any-questions-or-comments-on-the-other-infrastructure-including-lighting-seats-and-bins-component-of-the-draft-marina-reserve-detailed-design-plans everyones space said "GATES??? - WHY DO YOU KEEP DODGING THIS QUESTION? PORT PHILLIP COUNCILLORS - AGAIN 'SECURITY AND SAFETY' - WHY IS THERE NOT A CATEGORY FOR THIS?" 2011-09-08 20:25:33 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/vegetation-do-you-have-any-questions-or-comments-on-the-vegetation-component-of-the-draft-marina-reserve-detailed-design-plans everyones space said "PORT PHILLIP COUNCILLORS - AGAIN 'SECURITY AND SAFETY' - WHY IS THERE NOT A CATEGORY FOR THIS?" 2011-09-08 20:23:35 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/path-network-do-you-have-any-questions-or-comments-on-the-path-network-pedestrian-and-bike-path-component-of-the-draft-marina-reserve-detailed-design-plans everyones space said "PORT PHILLIP COUNCILLORS - AGAIN 'SECURITY AND SAFETY' - WHY IS THERE NOT A CATEGORY FOR THIS?" 2011-09-08 20:23:05 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/car-park-do-you-have-any-questions-or-comments-on-the-car-park-component-of-the-draft-marina-reserve-detailed-design-plans everyones space said "PORT PHILLIP COUNCILLORS - AGAIN 'SECURITY AND SAFETY' - WHY IS THERE NOT A CATEGORY FOR THIS?" 2011-09-08 20:22:26 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/skateable-space-do-you-have-any-questions-or-comments-on-the-skateable-space-component-of-the-draft-marina-reserve-detailed-design-plans everyones space said "SECURITY AND SAFETY - WHY IS THERE NOT A CATEGORY FOR THIS?" 2011-09-08 20:03:05 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/other-infrastructure-do-you-have-any-questions-or-comments-on-the-other-infrastructure-including-lighting-seats-and-bins-component-of-the-draft-marina-reserve-detailed-design-plans Nudge said "Also any lighting should be focussed to shine into the park and not towards the residents. Bit of a moot point as the park is well lit with the ambient light from the light house." 2011-09-08 15:22:02 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/car-park-do-you-have-any-questions-or-comments-on-the-car-park-component-of-the-draft-marina-reserve-detailed-design-plans Nudge said "I agree with the idea of a single entrance/exit to the car park. It will stop the 'rat-run' that happens now in peak traffic times." 2011-09-08 15:16:28 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/skateable-space-do-you-have-any-questions-or-comments-on-the-skateable-space-component-of-the-draft-marina-reserve-detailed-design-plans Mr J said "A couple more suggestions on the flat bank section: 1. As a follow on to my above suggestion to provide good amounts of roll in plaform around the flat banks, if meeting the 750 m2 restriction is a problem then providing skateable paths leading into the flat banks perpendicular to the bank lips will allow for varied roll in speeds without absorbing so much surface area. 2. Providing the flat banks in varied gradients will allow for different ability levels and a greater variation in tricks in the flat bank section. " 2011-09-08 10:47:05 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/vegetation-do-you-have-any-questions-or-comments-on-the-vegetation-component-of-the-draft-marina-reserve-detailed-design-plans Marine said "This is a good point. This type of 'shed' will be both unsightly and detract from the view of people already living on Marine Pde." 2011-09-07 16:52:48 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/picnic-and-play-space-do-you-have-any-questions-or-comments-on-the-preliminary-concept-plan-for-the-picnic-and-play-space Davidmyer said "Great. I like the way the design provides a specific area rather than invading the other areas with bits of play infrastructure. " 2011-09-07 15:20:49 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/car-park-do-you-have-any-questions-or-comments-on-the-car-park-component-of-the-draft-marina-reserve-detailed-design-plans Davidmyer said "Would the area of asphalt be reduced if a squarer car park were established with two rows of parking spaces separated by a common access/egress lane? Also a single entrance/exit? The only real issue is minimising the paved space. " 2011-09-07 15:16:07 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/skateable-space-do-you-have-any-questions-or-comments-on-the-skateable-space-component-of-the-draft-marina-reserve-detailed-design-plans Mr J said " I agree with the overall philosophy/transition emphasis of the proposed skateable space design presented in meeting 2 for the following reasons: 1. The main bowl was the most the most requested/most important feature which emerged from the schools consultation and from independent submissions from interested skaters. It therefore makes sense that the skatepark have an emphasis on transition rather than plaza, because transition skating is a complementary skill to bowl riding and a variety of transition will assist novice skaters in obtaining bowl skills. 2. 750 m2 is not big enough to provide both a rich set of street plaza, bowl and transition. 3. The idea of providing the opportunity to flow between different sections of the park in quiet times, but be able to session individual pockets in busier times as suggested by the presenter from Convic sounds possible and desirable based on what I have experienced in other skateparks. 4. The flow park philosophy does allow for creative skating by allowing the skater to discover "lines" 5. The flow park landscape is potentially more aesthetic which will help it gain residence acceptance and hopefully some respect from non-skating youth such that it won't be treated as prime graffitti target. nevertheless I have the following suggestions for further detailed design: 1. I agree with the request during the meeting 2 Q and A session for more street infrastructure, apart from flat banks none is shown although Convic have said they will provide this detail in meeting 3. Street skating is very popular, particularly with the youth. 2. A good place to put the street infrastructure would be at the western end ie away from the bowl and tranny end. 3. The flat banks and pyramid corners illustrated in the Library section of Community Meeting 2, 5 September the pdf document of Presentation 2 - Part 3, page 25 shows an absence of flat platform from which to roll into the banks. It is much harder to pump speed into flat banks than it is in tranny/bowl. Therefore providing generous amounts of flat platform around the banks on which to push some speed before descending into them is much more important than the size of the platforms around the tranny/bowl. 4. The tranny end of the park should have both mellow (large radius) and whippy tranny to accommodate beginners and experts. " 2011-09-07 13:33:26 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/path-network-do-you-have-any-questions-or-comments-on-the-path-network-pedestrian-and-bike-path-component-of-the-draft-marina-reserve-detailed-design-plans petert said "With the introduction of a path way circuit around Marina Reserve, will this circuit pathway be dedicated for pedestrian access only? As both cyclists (bike path) and skaters (skate space) have their own dedicated areas. " 2011-09-07 12:19:06 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/vegetation-do-you-have-any-questions-or-comments-on-the-vegetation-component-of-the-draft-marina-reserve-detailed-design-plans petert said "At the Monday (5/9/11) night meeting the Landscape Architect (Chrstra Mitchell) mentioned that a shelter shed will be built over the picnic table/s to provide protection. In the tender "Provision of consultancy services for the design of marina Reserve masterplan" under the design requirements it was specifically required that "Design should avoid any obtrusive structures that may have impact on sight lines". Why is shelter shed type of structure being introduced at this stage, when the intial design master plan, did not include it? " 2011-09-07 12:02:38 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/other-infrastructure-do-you-have-any-questions-or-comments-on-the-other-infrastructure-including-lighting-seats-and-bins-component-of-the-draft-marina-reserve-detailed-design-plans petert said "Why is Promonade level lighting being used for the path facing Marine Parade, which is closest to residents? With security level lighting being used for the remainder of the Marina Reserve. Wouldn't it be best if security level lighting was used for the entire Marina Reserve. (please note that the Promonade level lighting is much brighter than security level lighting) " 2011-09-07 11:42:33 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/skateable-space-do-you-have-any-questions-or-comments-on-the-skateable-space-component-of-the-draft-marina-reserve-detailed-design-plans petert said "The consultant who spoke at the Monday night meeting (9/5/11) advised that the skate space will be based on a flowing design. I would note that the tender issued on the 3/10/09 "Provision of consultancy services for the design of Marina Reserve Masterplan" emphasised that "the skateable components will offer diverse skating experiences for beginners through to experiences skaters". My question is, that with a possible flowing skate space design, how will beginners be provided with a safe and protected environment? " 2011-09-07 11:23:26 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-would-you-bleastb-like-to-see-on-the-st-kilda-triangle India said "I woul not like to see a park in this space. Love parks but we need to be a bit more imaginative about public space and how they can most benefit the public. A park would be a serious cope out .." 2011-09-06 17:51:14 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-would-you-bmostb-like-to-see-on-the-st-kilda-triangle rogerab said "I would like to see something happen this time. We need pedestrian access from Esplanade to beach across Beach Road, carparking that is not see and open space gardens on the roof sections .. And all this paid for by the Council to avoid any commercialisation " 2011-09-06 09:55:44 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/how-would-you-like-the-st-kilda-triangle-site-to-look-in-the-year-2030 TAG said "The same as when it was first constructed. " 2011-09-06 08:02:53 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-would-you-bmostb-like-to-see-on-the-st-kilda-triangle TAG said "People. Create an environment that encourages use of the space in an effective way. An open Ampitheatre would be great for outdoor theatre." 2011-09-06 08:01:27 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-would-you-bleastb-like-to-see-on-the-st-kilda-triangle TAG said "No people. " 2011-09-06 07:59:16 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-would-you-bmostb-like-to-see-on-the-st-kilda-triangle GiovanniKelly said "I would like to see (a)The traffic from Jacka Boulevard put underground for the entire length of the St.Kilda foreshore. (b) a world class Art Gallery built ,for example a mix of the Guggenheim in Bilbao and Hobart's Mona, It would be an architectural wonder of the world and would be no higher than the Esplanade , as like Mona much of the building could be underground,It would occupy about a a third of the surface area only, The roof partially flat with a lawn surface , like parliament house in Canberra. at the same level as the Esplanade, (c) surrounding the Gallery would be a large piazza and park areas with innovative fountains/sculptures and design, (Japanese, Chinese , European mix connecting the beach and the Esplanade with beautiful walk ways.(plenty of trees and grass!) (d) There would be a stage or ampitheatre, to cater for open air music and events , similar to what the highly successful Fed Square achieves, but a little less of the "commercial" feel of fed sq. (no car raffles etc.). (e) There would also have to be a large underground car park, to cater for beach,gallery,Palais and Luna Pk patrons,(e) Commercial development should be limited to small scale, hawker style food ,cafe/bar/coffee,/restaurant , " 2011-09-04 14:33:23 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-would-you-bleastb-like-to-see-on-the-st-kilda-triangle gregf said "Buildings." 2011-09-03 09:37:35 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/how-would-you-like-the-st-kilda-triangle-site-to-look-in-the-year-2030 gregf said "Open space. Lawn, palm trees, shade/shelter, water features and seats, similar to Catani Gardens over a multi-level underground car park. No building (commercial or otherwise). Restored Palais." 2011-09-03 09:31:05 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-would-you-bmostb-like-to-see-on-the-st-kilda-triangle Dockside said "Well, looks as if nothing will get done here, the community dont wont anything other than that car park. Way to go people of St Kilda, just let the place rot for all i care.. Car parks, empty open space with nothing other than grass, no buildings, no jobs, No future." 2011-09-01 11:07:23 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-would-you-bmostb-like-to-see-on-the-st-kilda-triangle Matt said "Green space, vegetation, public art." 2011-08-26 10:12:37 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-would-you-bmostb-like-to-see-on-the-st-kilda-triangle jdb73 said "I’m all for an open commercial free area for the community but IF a suitable proposal cannot be reached (as has been the case to date) I was surprised an option didnt exist to leave the site as is and save further agro and cost. No great protests occurring as mentioned & millions of taxpayers money not needing to be spent on something half the community dont want! For example; at the speak-out when I asked about the previous proposed development approved in 2008, it apparently cost $5Million to invoke the get out clause with the developers. That’s $5Milion plus previous costs, only to be scrapped after the elections when new councillors were voted in and vetoed the 'approved' development which the community did not want. As much as car parks are unsightly, they are unfortunately a necessary part of modern life for locals, tourists and the business community. As far as I recall even (world famous) Bondi beach has an unsightly car park slap bang in the middle of it on the foreshore, as so do many more seaside resorts. Any redevelopment has to be paid for so there will be some (albeit possibly small) limited commercial presence, this was also implied at the speak-out. " 2011-08-25 21:15:59 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-would-you-bmostb-like-to-see-on-the-st-kilda-triangle rovi said "That's actually a good idea if we can't come to consensus or find funding for something special. This site is likely to be the most significant inner city foreshore development of our generation, if not the century. We need to ensure its done right. What would Sydney be if it had a shopping mall instead of the opera house? I'm still dumbfounded that the prior councilors didn't get this." 2011-08-25 09:53:47 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-would-you-bmostb-like-to-see-on-the-st-kilda-triangle Aussie Steve said "You have to be joking! A wonderful site like this left the way it is - asphalt for cars to be parked on! Cars should not be seen anywhere near the beach front. At the very least, all the area shoudl be grassed and all the car parking removed, but better still, develop the site for human activity not to park your car in the blazing sun!" 2011-08-25 08:45:52 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-would-you-bmostb-like-to-see-on-the-st-kilda-triangle Aussie Steve said "I agree that we need to the site to be redevelope,d but nothing higher than the Palace, but something up against it that woudl hide the ugle northern and wester facades and steps down to the northern corner of the site. It should only be at the very most, 5 levels above ground with some car parking below. " 2011-08-25 08:42:42 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/how-would-you-like-the-st-kilda-triangle-site-to-look-in-the-year-2030 rovi said "NO MORE CARS Let’s get rid of the cars on Jacka Boulevard. We can put them underground for now, although hopefully by 2030 we’ve figured out how to recapture the beautiful foreshore from traffic, all the way from Elwood to Port Melbourne. Thus part one of my vision is achieved: a seamless expanse of public space from the Esplanade to the beach. This public space should be used for something special. Who had ever heard of Bilbao, Spain before the Guggenheim built an iconic building there? Millennium Park in Chicago is another great example (part community space, like Fed Square, but with more open space and more edgy art--and of course good architecture). The sculpture garden outside the national gallery in Canberra is another model to consider. MONA, in Hobart, is a spectacular museum that is almost completely underground. " 2011-08-22 12:49:29 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-would-you-bmostb-like-to-see-on-the-st-kilda-triangle easy58 said "In keeping with the historical theatrical feel of the triangle a large outdoor amphitheatre that would take advantage of the natural slope of the land, (maybe with underground parking). Anything built on this site that is higher than the esplanade would be such a pity and actually change the entire feel of the area." 2011-08-21 11:50:35 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-would-you-bmostb-like-to-see-on-the-st-kilda-triangle jdb73 said "One question I have over all this redevelopment of the triangle is: Is it an option to leave the site as it is, does the council have to renovate, if so why? I ask this as from attending the first community speak out last weekend, any development (by the councillors own admission) will cost millions to renovate (inc. decontamination of land). Not to mention the furore it raises each time the topic arises. Why cant the site be left as is? 1. It serves a purpose - as a car park. It was packed on Sunday with the spring like weather. Where will these shoppers/day-trippers park once this has gone? 2. Earns the council money through fees, not to mention earning money for the local shop owners/Market stall holders. 3. Doesn't seem to offend anyone at present - I haven’t noticed any "close the carpark" petitions. 4. Wont cost the council/taxpayers millions as nothing to 'redevelop'. 5. As a car park its unobtrusive, is needed and doesn't cause any restricted/blocked views from the Esplanade. Thats my two cents anyway...... " 2011-08-18 10:28:56 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/how-would-you-like-the-st-kilda-triangle-site-to-look-in-the-year-2030 steve mercer said "NO commercial development. There is no need and Council should not seek, for a Commercial return on Public land It should be like a child's imagination with the Present's Box. A Lush Botanical area with good open spaces for us to utilise with picnics, gatherings, reading, summer days snoozing walking through, exercising in playing music in, and generally Peacefully and ( generally ) sedately enjoying. As someone said, a respite;... especially from the barren , treeless, scorching summer wasteland which is the foreshore promenade thingo across the road. I hope I've been unambiguous. Regards, Steve Mercer " 2011-08-17 21:38:56 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-would-you-bmostb-like-to-see-on-the-st-kilda-triangle Aussie Steve said "Council has no control over provate companies operating on private land. Yes, it would be nice to see McDonalds go, but the land isn't owned by Council and they have no power nor authority in law to force the closure cos we don't like it." 2011-08-16 12:15:12 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-would-you-bmostb-like-to-see-on-the-st-kilda-triangle Aussie Steve said "We don't need more car parking, we need less. We don't need to fill our roads with more cars, nor do we need more asphalt. I'd like to see most of the car parking along the beachfront removed and the landscaped areas expanded." 2011-08-16 12:13:59 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/should-other-topics-be-included-in-the-operations-plan-what-should-be-covered-under-these-topics-and-do-you-have-ideas-for-management petert said "The following points should be covered within the operations plan. 1. As the current Marina Reserve car park will be significantly reduced by over 50% and visitors to Marina Reserve will be increasing due to using the new facilities, the actions that residents and others can take when street parking offences occur should be specifically noted within the operations plan. e.g. who to contact and likely response times 2. The operations plan should specifically cover the new Marina Reserve pathway to ensure that it remains a pedestrian only walkway, both cyclists and skate boarders have their own dedicated areas and so should pedestrians. 3. Toilets (page 4 of 5) the notes state "want toilets moved" without refering to the Master plan (page 24 section 5.17) reasons as to why the current location was selected. "This location is the most preferable within the reserve as it sits well within the applicable guidelines and caters well for the more social areas on the site, including the skate space, the BBQ, the gatering area and is adjacent to the beach". 4. Noise (p3of5) currently has nothing in the column "what should be covered". As noise has the potential to be an ongoing serious issue, particularly as residents are close to the skate park, issues such as what to do when the noise is affecting you and rules concerning music should be included within the operations plan." 2011-08-11 15:11:27 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/should-other-topics-be-included-in-the-operations-plan-what-should-be-covered-under-these-topics-and-do-you-have-ideas-for-management Mr J said "I would like to suggest: 1. Skating should take place only from dawn to dusk year round. I like the suggestion on page 4 of the notes from meeting 1 to have a sign with some quotes by prominent local skateboarder Renton Miller on issues such as etiquette. 2. Skateboarders should be allowed to use the footpaths that are available to bicycles and rollerblades to skate to the park. 3. The skatepark surface and its boundary should be off limits to dogs 4. I have doubts about the suggestion on page 3 of the meeting 1 notes that allowing a graffiti area or "graffiti wall" will be effective in keeping graffiti off the infrastructure. My suggestion would be to start without one and have graffiti promptly removed - there are graffiti services such as AMA which currently operate in the local suburbs." 2011-08-10 01:07:04 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/how-would-you-like-the-st-kilda-triangle-site-to-look-in-the-year-2030 I choose a VIBRANT St Kilda said "If all you want from St Kilda is trees, parks, open spaces & no buildings, I suggest you might be in the wrong suburb people!! St Kilda is at it's heart a VIBRANT & EXCITING place to live & be. There is ample open space, and indeed the triangle should continue St Kildas strong tradition of great public space, but it also MUST acknowledge & build on the suburbs robust history of diverse shopping, iconic pubs, bars and clubs such as the Vineyard, the Espy & the Prince. In 2030 I want St Kilda to be even more exciting than it already is! I want it to rival internationally recognized places of cultural vitality such as Edinborough, Manchester in the 80's and Berlin, not some sleepy suburb with only houses and parks - if that's what you're after there are plenty of quoted suburbs in Melbourne waiting for you with all the works and none of the life and vibrancy that makes St Kilda so amazing & like no other part of Melbourne! I want more places For music, arts markets, diverse retail & small business opportunities for emerging artists & design communities, as well as strengthened public spaces & of course better connections to the foreshore & views maintained & improved - we can and should have both.. " 2011-08-09 09:29:59 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/how-would-you-like-the-st-kilda-triangle-site-to-look-in-the-year-2030 Manila_playa87 said "Ignore the trolls mate. I had to deal with them on a day to day basis in skyscrapercity. I live in caulfield and am not against density and development of underutilized sites but 20 stories is just an unbelievable travisty and they did not even bother to consult with the community before ramming this through. I havnt been to stkilda in a few months but is the aforementioned 10 story tower the tallest in stkilda and if so does it have any architectual merit which enhances the area greatly besides just plonking in more people? As i mentioned in another thread before i want this to be an open piaza with a water fountain with an emphasis on outdoor dining and arts and cultural performances on display by the large fountain where u can take the family on a day out. I'm not against 5 or 6 stories going up around parts of stkilda so long as infrastructure and services keep up with demand but we all know that developers dont care about that..." 2011-08-09 00:40:59 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-would-you-bmostb-like-to-see-on-the-st-kilda-triangle Manila_playa87 said "What are u suggesting then? A 15 level resi tower? This isnt about the mcdonalds area but the stkilda triangle carpark. I would like to see something that all Melburnians can come and enjoy spending the day at in a large open space piazza with a fountain but on a slightly larger scale than the one on toorak rd where Manila_playa87 frequents quite often. A water fountain perhaps with outdoor dining with individual entertainment acts like the ones u see at perhaps southbank. It in no way has to be a monoloth skyscraper as we have many underutilized areas about inner melbourne that can accomodate them. PS take no notice of melburn21, aussiesteve, dockside and build up not out. They are from skyscrapercity trying to spam this site to make it appear that there are more pro development people for the stkilda triangle than against..." 2011-08-09 00:16:11 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-would-you-bleastb-like-to-see-on-the-st-kilda-triangle Dorelle said "Build up, not out, of course. But build on the bad developments of the past, not on the rare precious stretches of open space remaining. Such negative space is what makes the excitement and accompanying stress of high density living tolerable." 2011-08-08 22:29:48 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-would-you-bmostb-like-to-see-on-the-st-kilda-triangle Build Up Not Out said "I didn't say they were mutually exclusive. But that is what NIMBYs demand - no more buildings and a park on every corner in the middle of the city. We already have massive parks (Albert park, Botanical gardens, Domain, Fitzroy, Carlton, Flagstaff etc etc etc etc etc. I was simply saying that if that already huge amount of green space isn't enough for you, then you would be happier moving somewhere you would be surrounded by green space like the countryside. This is not a controversial point, but NIMBYs who choose to live in the middle of the city need to have this explained to them, as they constantly complain to our elected representatives of "too many people, too many buildings, not enough parks". The systematic corruption of our democratic process by "unChain St Kilda" got us the NIMBY council of CoPP who are terrified of doing anything bold or interesting on sites like the triangle lest they offend the NIMBY voters who placed them in power. " 2011-08-08 20:26:04 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-would-you-bmostb-like-to-see-on-the-st-kilda-triangle mcklink said "I agree - get rid of Maca's. Surely the council can get a better lease holder who will bring in just as much rent... " 2011-08-08 19:06:21 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-would-you-bmostb-like-to-see-on-the-st-kilda-triangle Dockside said "I would love to see a major ''gate way'', a visual sense of arrival to ''The Triagle''. A gallery of architecturall splendour that would celebrate the Palais and Luna Park's entrance. A ''winter garden'' a modern space out of the wind so when its in the middle of winter you can relax under the sun out of the wind. A good mix of commercial leasess to ensure 24 hour foot traffic. Well integrated public transport. A mix of open spaces. Well designed residential buildings, a mix of public housing and private ownership . A place Melbourne would be proud to show the World.. And please.... No more FRIGGEN Mcdonalds overlooking it all !!!!!!!.." 2011-08-08 18:07:37 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-would-you-bmostb-like-to-see-on-the-st-kilda-triangle MADinMelbourne said "something similar to CERES where people can learn how to live sustainably within a city. A sustainable education centre with workshops, documentaries, talks, courses and events based on living together with minimal disruption." 2011-08-08 16:45:16 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-would-you-bleastb-like-to-see-on-the-st-kilda-triangle MADinMelbourne said "nightclubs and commercial competition for existing businesses." 2011-08-08 16:41:39 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-would-you-bmostb-like-to-see-on-the-st-kilda-triangle Goodman said "All of that on one hectare and a bit of land ? By the way, can BUNO express his/her idea on the Triangle without all that vehemence? By all means, let's use this public forum to exchange ideas, not to deteriorate to a pub brawl. I'll be the first one to apologize for any undue comments/responses that are not directly relevant to the issue at hand. I think we all want the best possible urban solution for the Triangle. Simply venting our differences with vitriol doesn't help at all. Let's work on the things that we agree. " 2011-08-08 16:13:55 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/how-would-you-like-the-st-kilda-triangle-site-to-look-in-the-year-2030 vinnyp said "I would like this space to be a great multi-functional space that people look back on for years to come and to set the example for future developments on what can be acheived when private developers work with councils and provide a feasible outcome that enhances the public domain and not detract from it. A open piazza partly enclosed by 5 level buildings with ground floor activation and social services. (think of san marco square with soft landscaping) Council can work with private developers to ensure that a certain amount of apartmenst are for low cost housing and that a certain amount of the commercial space is availble for council to manage and allocate for community services it deems neccasary eg childcare centres, art programmes etc" 2011-08-08 15:21:17 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-would-you-bmostb-like-to-see-on-the-st-kilda-triangle PeterD said "Wake up...trees in the inner city and buildings are not mutually exclusive. There should be a mixture of both. It's only a matter of correctly siting them." 2011-08-08 13:45:45 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-would-you-bmostb-like-to-see-on-the-st-kilda-triangle PeterD said "A fabulous public art installation by someone of the international standing of Anish Kapoor, which is set in a landscaped green space, with a sunken central area to act as a sun-trap and allow the constant sou-wester that blows to go over your head. The northern wall of the Palais should be a vertical garden and a Moreton bay fig grown to it's full magnificence from a seedling obtained from the one at the corner of Acland St. and Fitzroy St. The boundary should be planted with Washingtonia palms and Canary island palms to create visual continuity with Catani gardens. Google Anish Kapoors fantastic sculpture in Chicago that they call "The Bean" to see what could be achieved in this space." 2011-08-08 13:41:20 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/how-would-you-like-the-st-kilda-triangle-site-to-look-in-the-year-2030 PeterD said "I would like to see the triangle landscaped as a Zen garden, using Australian native plants. There should be a large pond with extensive rockwork, an underground carpark to attract revenue to the city and a vertical garden grown on the north wall of the Palais theatre. The palais should be fully restored in period style and should be the only building in the space. The perimeter of the space should be planted with washingtonia palms to give visual continuity with Catani gardens, as though the triangle was an extension of the original foreshore plan. " 2011-08-08 13:15:12 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-would-you-bmostb-like-to-see-on-the-st-kilda-triangle mcklink said "We need free foreshore parking in the triangle for those who have purchased combined foreshore parking permits. The counil took away foreshore parking for residents when it made a bike lane from Donovans to Fitzroy street and then permitted combined permit holders to parking in the triangle car park. If that area is developed then there should be provision for free parking for combined holders. There should also be provisions made for free car parking during the long building process which is likely to occur. If not, reduce the cost of the parking permit. This is not about parking per se but about access to the foreshore for residents who don't live within walking distance of this area. The council should also ban the use of private parking companies on the foreshore at the st kilda baths. Its outrageous that this is not a public area and that these companies are gouging and then issuing illegal fines to residents who park there." 2011-08-08 10:45:49 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/how-would-you-like-the-st-kilda-triangle-site-to-look-in-the-year-2030 India said "The triangle site should be an area for all of Melbourne to enjoy and should suit the needs of those living when I am long gone. What I would like personally is not relevent .. my past is not their future. We need to leave a legacy and show some vision about what will be needed in the future. Thanks to people with vision in the past around the world we have iconic spaces enjoyed by billions of people over the centuries .. it concerns me that most of them would never have got up today given the narrow vision of decision influencers of Port Phillip. IIt is time for us to put aside our personal preferences and look outside of the square. Green spaces are clearly important and desirable but given this criteria for making decisions the triangle site will become just another park when it could be so much more. Of course a park is much quieter and although look great be under utilised and provide a great aspect for those people who live opposite. I would like to see an area which has longevity in design and artistic merit - spaces where people can wander, look and enjoy. Water features such as Darling Harbour where children can spend hours of playing without spending a cent. I am not opposed to some retail or hospitality in moderation - people like to have these services available. There should be ample publc seating and mulit-use space for public events/performances. T" 2011-08-08 10:34:55 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/how-would-you-like-the-st-kilda-triangle-site-to-look-in-the-year-2030 taniev said "2030 - I would like to see a park with an area for allotments. I am 60 years old and feel very safe in Melbourne. I work full-time, like to keep fit, not a morning person and walk at night. I have not yet ever felt unsafe in St Kilda area, streets or lit public gardens. 2030 - much infill housing, apartment blocks built right up to the boundaries, many with no balconies, fewer and fewer inner-city gardens and green outdoor space, fewer and fewer opportunities for gardeners, fewer and fewer opportunities. It is already proven that those who live in apartments with no balcony have less of a sense of well-being than those who do have a balcony. Those, partuclarly the aging generation, with close access to a piece of natural green will in the future have a greater sense of well-being than either of the former. " 2011-08-07 12:13:29 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-would-you-bleastb-like-to-see-on-the-st-kilda-triangle Dockside said "I would hate to see yet anouther over designed park that no one uses. I would hate to see that Mcdonalds still standing on that spot. I would hate it if the views of Un Chain St Kilda are to be the only views that get listened too by CoPP, again....... I would hate to see mediocrity rule in this city. I would hate to see more car parks, more ashphelt, more crap for St Kilda. I would hate to see the nimbys win again and again and again and none of the above wishes granted. But if that must be the case then.... I would hate to move.." 2011-08-07 02:11:34 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-would-you-bmostb-like-to-see-on-the-st-kilda-triangle Dockside said "I agree that a tower wouldn't be best placed near the beach, but a tower of around 15L on the Mcdonalds site would be such a improvement on whats there now and act as a beacon for St Kilda and the triagle. I would like to see a mix of residential, commercial, community and open spaces with movement 24/7 and everyone gets a slice of the action.." 2011-08-07 01:55:47 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/how-would-you-like-the-st-kilda-triangle-site-to-look-in-the-year-2030 Dockside said "Love your thinking Build Up Not Out, but im sure CoPP will side with the nimbys anyway. The council are full of Un Chain St Kilda types, i dont see any progresives in there. " 2011-08-07 01:40:33 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/how-would-you-like-the-st-kilda-triangle-site-to-look-in-the-year-2030 Dockside said "My wish for the St Kilda Triangle is for a vibrant and architecturaly beautiful space that complements the Palais Theatre and Luna Park's entrance. A marriage of the sea and urban design that captures the past, present and the future of St Kilda's evolution as a entertainment mecca for Melburnians. The Mcdonalds must be moved from the spot it is currently on, move it up Carlisle St somewhere far away from this prominent location, no matter how much money is spent doing this triagle up this Mcdonalds will just keep that area a dump with its rubbish, smell and trouble makers. Bring St Kilda back from the mundane suburbs its been pulled into by nimbys and bring it back into the inner city where it belongs, it belongs to ALL Victorians, not just a few." 2011-08-07 01:29:08 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/how-would-you-like-the-st-kilda-triangle-site-to-look-in-the-year-2030 Build Up Not Out said "I'm a huge fan of Berlin. But again, its got double the density of Melbourne. It's vibrancy comes from it's density. Your policy of parks before people and buildings would turn Berlin into a ghost town. I don't think you're getting it." 2011-08-07 00:02:20 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-would-you-bleastb-like-to-see-on-the-st-kilda-triangle Build Up Not Out said "People get very sentimental about Gold Rush era Melbourne. While I regret that the city's relevance faded into the 20th century, that's largely because it stopped growing at such a rapid pace while other cities flew by. I also regret a lot of genuinely important heritage buildings being lost in the past. But leaping from those sensible statements to becoming a preservationist; obsessed with keeping everything the same forever and ever is exactly the kind of attitude that would have deprived Melbourne the glory it won during the Gold Rush! So next time you oppose a building like ACCA, think about if you'd opposed Flinders Street Station, the REB, the State Library, Manchester Unity or any other building deemed to be "controversial" at the time, think about how boring the city would be now if none of those buildings were built then and think how boring the city will be going forward if we don't allow architects to push the boundaries of their art. We have to be very careful not to force our definition of "heritage" onto future generations, and acknowledge first that heritage (like cities) is in a constant state of flux changing one moment slowly, the next rapidly through the generations, and secondly that we have protection measures in the state's planning schemes for all buildings that have been collectively judged as worthy of heritage protection - pretending that every single site which has a redevelopment proposed is an incredibly important piece of the city's heritage actually cheapens the term and it's users to such a detrimental extent that it prevents honest, grown up discussion about buildings with genuine heritage value by confusing them with all the other buildings with negligible heritage value. So has overdevelopment "destroyed" Manhattan, Tokyo, London, Paris, Hong Kong, Singapore or any other successful city? Of course not. Your argument is at best incoherent. Successful cities grow, failures shrink and disappear. There is no question that Melbourne is a better city today than it was 50 years ago when it was half the size. For starters we have more choice and competition than ever; in employment opportunities, in food from all over the world (as opposed to the bad old days of boring meat and 2 veg), housing types etc etc. Development is not a cancer. Your stance of opposing buildings for commercial profit is ridiculous. Nothing would get built (including our precious heritage buildings) if the builder couldn't cut a profit for the same reason that shops wouldn't exist if the owners couldn't sell their products at a mark up of the whole sale cost; the same reason that any business exists; to make a profit. If they can't make a profit, they go out of business. We live in a capitalist democracy which is guided by economic rationalism. To suggest that buildings could be built with no account for commercial viability is laughable, and if you think there's a better system than capitalist democracy out there, you're free to move there. Tell me how you're fitting in once you get to Cuba, yeah?" 2011-08-06 23:57:30 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/how-would-you-like-the-st-kilda-triangle-site-to-look-in-the-year-2030 Goodman said "Buy a return ticket to Berlin and see for yourself what a well-planned city is all about. " 2011-08-06 23:13:31 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-would-you-bleastb-like-to-see-on-the-st-kilda-triangle Goodman said "Indeed. And look what we've got. Melbourne was once one of the most admired 19th C European city. The fundamental issue is not about NIMBYs or (even) community groups such as unChain that managed to reveal the corrupt practices of a misguided council (read the Ombudsman's report). It's what's best for the community as a whole. Overdevelopment, notwithstanding the contribution of professionals, is a cancerous growth that destroy cities. Cities exist due to the evolution of human condition and not simply for the elitists. For that reason we all must carefully safeguard our cities to ensure that the spirit of its place is maintained for generations to come. By the way, I don't oppose buildings such as ACA etc. for the sake of opposing. I am against the blatant erection of built forms that are not only not contextual but are driven by commercial profit. " 2011-08-06 23:07:32 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/how-would-you-like-the-st-kilda-triangle-site-to-look-in-the-year-2030 Build Up Not Out said "You lot love the term "over-development" don't you! Care to quantify it? Anything over 50cm tall sound reasonable? The fact is, inner Melbourne is severely UNDER-developed and with tram lines on every major road, there is plenty of room to house more people. What you probably don't realize is that with every apartment building in central Melbourne that houses eg 500 people, that's 250 stand-alone houses that will not be built in the suburban sprawl. This prevents the need for wasteful low density land use and for endlessly and expensively expanding infrastructure further and further away from the city's existing core infrastructure networks. Yes this means that there are sometimes crowded restaurants and that you won't always get a seat on the train - but that puts pressure on the government to INVEST and EXPAND the inner city's infrastructure, about which they will otherwise become complacent and neglect it (this is proven by the fact that the last new commuter rail line built in Melbourne was in 1930, around the time private automobile use and therefore low-density, car-oriented suburban sprawl really became affordable). For the first time since, the state budget now spends more on public transport than on roads, largely due to a population surge in the inner city as people in Melbourne have become attracted to the amenity that apartment living clearly gives them and that boring low-density suburbia can not. I'm willing to bet that you haven't seen the tenants animate your neighbourhood because even if you did you would purposefully ignore it because it contradicts your world view that density is evil and that the city should be more like the countryside. Look up Ebenezer Howard's Garden City movement to see how stupid that turned out to be. I'll say it again, you choose to live in the middle of the city. You choose to accept the constant urban change that always comes with living in every city. But you complain about density as if it shouldn't exist in the city. 100% WRONG. The city is about constant increasing agglomeration and density. You suggest that my use of the word NIMBY is asinine, shortly after you accused me of resorting to insults. I'm not interested in what names you call me. I'm interested in honesty and making our city the best that it can be; high density land use supported by high capacity infrastructure. The NIMBY world view is about lies, greed, and forcing the city to be the countryside; low density land use and low capacity infrastructure. This formula has been proven to be a failure time and time again. Brought to its logical conclusion, you would have Melbourne become the car-dependent sprawl belt of Los Angeles, I, the skyscraper canyons and mass transit of Manhattan. I know which one most people prefer when tested. " 2011-08-06 21:06:57 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-would-you-bleastb-like-to-see-on-the-st-kilda-triangle Build Up Not Out said "ACCA and MTC in Southbank, the Sydney Opera House, the Arch proposal for the Carlton Brewery site. All iconic, landmark buildings that I'm sure you would have opposed in favour of another bloody park. I was living in the US at the time unChain were protesting. But it's a good point you raise, that there were no marches to counter the NIMBY group's message. There are plenty of us around who are opposed to their agenda. Many of us are industry professionals like architects, urban designers, planners, construction workers and civil engineers. I find that as soon as the task of urban planning is explained to someone, regardless of their background, they understand that the NIMBY world view is just plain ridiculous. The NIMBY view that you are pushing when you say that you want another park, no new buildings and absolutely no more people in the area is diametrically opposed to the reality that St Kilda is part of inner Melbourne; a city of over 4 million people, with new buildings being built every year. Land is a precious resource, especially in the inner city, that can NOT simply be wasted because, on a whim, you want to feel like you're in the country when you're in the middle of the city, by creating a park where there could be a productive land use like housing, employment, community facilities, cultural building or retail. There are plenty of parks in inner Melbourne. If you want more parks, move to the countryside. NIMBYs will never be happy in cities because they will always complain about the constant urban change that defines all cities. If you moved to the countryside today, you would instantly have parks all around you and you would be isolated from human contact INFINITELY more than you could ever hope to be in a city. Cities exist because people sacrifice space for proximity to knowledge and amenity. That's why bankers live in Manhattan and techno wizzes live in Silicon Valley; because they want to be around other smart people like them, and they put up with the inconvenience of living in an apartment instead of a Mansion. If that's a sacrifice you can't afford, then you sacrifice knowledge and amenity for space by moving to a rural area. So you either choose space OR knowledge and amenity. You can't have it both ways. And that's the problem for NIMBYs, they are trying to have lots of space and proximity to lots of knowledge and lots of amenity amenity. The economics just don't work. You can't build a new park, but to justify it, you have to build higher to ensure that there are people to use it. Can't just build parks to leave them empty and unused. " 2011-08-06 20:21:01 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-would-you-bleastb-like-to-see-on-the-st-kilda-triangle Goodman said "Oops, another one of those people who believe that a piece of public land should be contaminated with a "landmark iconic building" (sic). What, pray, is a "landmark iconic building"? Aren't you putting the donkey before the cart? We have yet to agree on a design brief. By the way, why this vitriol against NIMBYs/ unChain? Where were you during the Triangle wars? Didn't see you guys marching in the thousands in support of BB/CITTA $400+M development. At least, we care without having to resort to abusive remarks." 2011-08-06 18:36:01 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/how-would-you-like-the-st-kilda-triangle-site-to-look-in-the-year-2030 Goodman said "I did not advocate an empty space but I also don't believe that clogging up the site with revenue-raising developments would improve the surrounding foreshore. Besides, St. Kilda is already attracting droves of people simply because it is St. Kilda. Your tagging people who object to over development as NIMBYs is asinine. Nobody is against change, only if the change enhances the quality of our lives. The developers of a 10-storey apartments across the road have increased the density of our precinct. But I've yet to see the tenants animate our neighbourhood by their presence. On weekends most of them would get into their imported beasts and drive to their holiday homes in Portsea and beyond. At least us NIMBYs hang around our place and enrich the neighbourhood by supporting local traders etc. etc. etc. " 2011-08-06 18:26:47 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-would-you-bleastb-like-to-see-on-the-st-kilda-triangle Aussie Steve said "I would hate to continue to see the ugly northern and western facades of the Palace after the redevelopment of the site; I would hate to see any buildings higher than the Palace; I would hate to see too many underground car parks (there is excellent public transport around); I would hate to see just another public open space park; I would hate to see uninviting, and uninspiring architectural redevelopment." 2011-08-06 18:07:47 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/how-would-you-like-the-st-kilda-triangle-site-to-look-in-the-year-2030 Aussie Steve said "Some open space. Active areas full of people and activity. Great public lighting at night. Interesting and modern buildings no higher than the Palace. The restoration of the Palace. a building next to the Palace to cover up its ugly north and western facades. No car parking. Fewer roads." 2011-08-06 17:58:19 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/how-would-you-like-the-st-kilda-triangle-site-to-look-in-the-year-2030 seabreeze said "Would be devastating if beautiful sea breeze was blocked by towers, tall buildings etc" 2011-08-06 16:52:40 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-would-you-bleastb-like-to-see-on-the-st-kilda-triangle melburn21 said "i would hate to see another park. StKilda has many of them. they are unkempt, unsafe and you wouldn't venture there at night. StKilda needs to fix its seedy image and build something that will attract families and the Melbourne community. Build a 24 hours arts and entertainment precinct. A large outdoor theatre would be fantastic." 2011-08-06 15:54:52 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-would-you-bmostb-like-to-see-on-the-st-kilda-triangle melburn21 said "just trees, sculptures and gardens? what a wasted opportunity. We need to build on Melbourne and StKilda's reputation for the arts. I would love to see a mixed use arts precinct. Outdoor theatres, gallery spaces, beautiful beachside cafes, bars and restaurants. A tower isn't the answer either, it would disconnect Stkilda from the beach. To be honest, the last proposal was perfect, but the Nimby's selfishness ruined it. I would like to see something similar, but with an arts and entertainment focus.... with plenty of wide open spaces. " 2011-08-06 15:46:01 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-would-you-bleastb-like-to-see-on-the-st-kilda-triangle Build Up Not Out said "The NIMBYs are the problem not the other way around. Their delusion is that the reality of urban land use can be forced to comply to rural level do-nothingness. It can not. It will never work. Urban economies are in a constant, permanent state of change. Buildings get built every year, always will. People that can not accept this reality belong in the rural countryside where they can enjoy as much green space as they like completely alone. NIMBYs are a tiny part of the population who have long misrepresented themselves as speaking for the whole community. Well, I'm part of the community, and NIMBYs do NOT speak for me. " 2011-08-06 13:34:48 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-would-you-bleastb-like-to-see-on-the-st-kilda-triangle Build Up Not Out said "City buildings in the city - shock - horror!!! If you hate the city so much, move to the country. You will have much fewer permanent buildings to complain about." 2011-08-06 13:28:25 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-would-you-bmostb-like-to-see-on-the-st-kilda-triangle Build Up Not Out said "If you like trees so much, move to the country or a forest. No point living in the city and complaining about city buildings. There will be more. If you choose to continue living in the city and still continue to complain, its your own fault for not moving where you would be happier." 2011-08-06 13:26:55 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/how-would-you-like-the-st-kilda-triangle-site-to-look-in-the-year-2030 Build Up Not Out said "If you want a GREEN & QUIET place, MOVE TO THE COUNTRYSIDE! There are plenty of green places there, and you will not have to fight the forces of development which exist in every city. " 2011-08-06 13:18:01 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/how-would-you-like-the-st-kilda-triangle-site-to-look-in-the-year-2030 Build Up Not Out said "Central Rome also has a density several times that of Melbourne. Ever wonder how that vibrancy came about in the piazza? Its vibrant because there are PEOPLE using it!! The open space would be pretty bloody boring if nobody used it, which is what the NIMBY attitude demands; all open space no more people. Some posters on this site really need to think about why they're in the middle of a city if they hate the idea of people, people and more people so much. Development is happening in central Melbourne today and it will continue for many many decades to come. If you dislike that idea so much, move to the countryside where you'll find it is much easier to escape and isolate yourself from society. Demanding that people in the city pretend they are in the countryside is the fundamental delusion of the NIMBY, and it is a struggle they are going to lose over and over again with every single piece of urban land that is redeveloped. " 2011-08-06 13:15:56 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-would-you-bleastb-like-to-see-on-the-st-kilda-triangle Build Up Not Out said "Another wasteful low density land use. This is central Melbourne, not Alice Springs. People keep saying a park. Do you realize that St Kilda has the entire ALBERT PARK AND LAKE??!!! Its massive! We don't need a park next to a park. That is idiocy. What we need is a landmark iconic building (or series of buildings) that acts as a bookmark and a gateway to St Kilda Road. The selfish, greedy NIMBYs from "unchain St Kilda" must not be allowed to derail this community consultation process as they did last time. I feel the council should perhaps run a design competition with different land uses and put a broad range of options to a public vote. But whatever it ends up being, it shouldn't be another park. If Albert Park and lake isn't enough for you, the Botanic Gardens are just up the road, as are literally dozens of gardens across central Melbourne." 2011-08-06 13:04:30 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-would-you-bleastb-like-to-see-on-the-st-kilda-triangle Goodman said "The kind of commercial developments that are proposed by those who do not understand the importance of "spirit of place". And, by the way, thank God for the much-maligned NIMBYs, at least they're about preserving our fast diminishing cultural heritage. " 2011-08-06 11:42:18 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-would-you-bmostb-like-to-see-on-the-st-kilda-triangle Goodman said "An art garden that represents the creative energies of St. Kilda, its Bohemian past culture that has since been consumed by commercial developments that have not enriched the area." 2011-08-06 11:37:49 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/how-would-you-like-the-st-kilda-triangle-site-to-look-in-the-year-2030 Goodman said "A public urban space that is not encumbered by a plethora of revenue-raising built forms. Central Rome is slightly smaller in area than Port Phillip. Yet it has more open space (piazza, plaza etc. and gushing fountains) than the whole of Melbourne CBD and its immediate surrounding areas. " 2011-08-06 11:35:18 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-would-you-bmostb-like-to-see-on-the-st-kilda-triangle djmatthews88 said "I'd like to see a multi-purpose market garden area on the land, with parking moved underground (and reasonably priced, not privatized). It could be something like the Camberwell market, but with a more attractive landscaped feel. People could hire spots to run a stall with second hand goods, trash and treasure, crafts etc, sort of like the sunday markets along the esplanade but more accessible and less dominated by the same overpriced tourist goods every weekend. Throughout the week the space would be a nice garden with open space and trees, upkeep paid for by the hiring of stall spaces on the weekend and possibly the underground parking. " 2011-08-05 18:17:30 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-would-you-bleastb-like-to-see-on-the-st-kilda-triangle green spaces said "Bricks & Mortar. Noisy entertainment venues or shops. " 2011-08-05 15:05:15 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/how-would-you-like-the-st-kilda-triangle-site-to-look-in-the-year-2030 green spaces said "A GREEN & QUIET place because by then there will be even fewer of those in the area. No shops or noisy bars." 2011-08-05 15:03:42 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-would-you-bleastb-like-to-see-on-the-st-kilda-triangle G Wallish said "Buildings " 2011-08-05 14:59:19 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-would-you-bmostb-like-to-see-on-the-st-kilda-triangle G Wallish said "Trees and plenty of them " 2011-08-05 14:57:22 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/how-would-you-like-the-st-kilda-triangle-site-to-look-in-the-year-2030 G Wallish said "I would very much like to see the area as a public park - no shops - perhaps one section for teenages only there are enough parks etc for young children " 2011-08-05 14:56:55 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-would-you-bleastb-like-to-see-on-the-st-kilda-triangle Dorelle said "Permanent buildings of any kind" 2011-08-05 11:57:12 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-would-you-bmostb-like-to-see-on-the-st-kilda-triangle Dorelle said "Planting and spaces for temporary performances/community events. Parking underground." 2011-08-05 11:56:46 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/how-would-you-like-the-st-kilda-triangle-site-to-look-in-the-year-2030 Dorelle said "A shady respite from climate change" 2011-08-05 11:55:44 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-would-you-bmostb-like-to-see-on-the-st-kilda-triangle green spaces said "We already have enough shops, entertainment, restaurants & tall buildings in St. Kilda. What we lack is green open space. What I'd like to see on the site is grass, a few benches and lovely sculptures scattered around the site. A SCULPTURE PARK that people could walk around & enjoy in the open air. The sculptures can change on a regular basis, ala McClelland Sculpture Park. A small cafe would be okay as it could help to fund the site. The site would give artists an opportunity to show off their work to the public. Maybe the Council can come to some arrangement with the McClelland Sculputre Park in regards to sharing sculptures for exhibition on the Triangle Site." 2011-08-05 09:59:32 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-would-you-bmostb-like-to-see-on-the-st-kilda-triangle Build Up Not Out said "I would most like to see an iconic, gateway to St Kilda, a mixed-use tower with apartments, offices and retail over a height of at least 15 floors, lots of public art, lots of community facilities - maybe a library or school. To all the selfish NIMBYs from "UNchain St Kilda", the best way to avoid future development in your backyard is to force all the development into one small land parcel on one of the main roads in the suburb and allow the developer to build as high as they like on that small site, provided there is the enforced agreement that there is less or no development in the much larger areas away from the small site; which means there would be no development in your back yard. This is what the City of Stonnington has successfully done with the Forest Hill section of South Yarra. The developers all know that they can build whatever they like in Forest Hill, but the leafy green back streets are off-limits - so they never even propose any buildings there anymore. So I would say if you want to 'protect' most of St Kilda from development, push for an ambitious design of the new St Kilda triangle - the bigger it is the longer you will prevent developers from seeking future opportunities in St Kilda." 2011-08-05 08:44:04 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-are-the-issues-that-should-be Build Up Not Out said "The whole direction of height controls is going in the wrong direction for such a central city location as St Kilda Road and my own South Melbourne home. New developments should not have height limits but height MINIMUMS! We are talking about an area that is at the centre of metropolitan Melbourne; a city of over 4 million people that stretches 100km from side to side - not some rural village in 19th Century England, as some NIMBYs seem to imagine. We need to consider the broader regional context in which South Melbourne and St Kilda Road exist; with reference to planning outcomes that arise from local governments favouring either a BUILD UP (skyscrapers) or BUILD OUT (suburban sprawl) approach. I say, if you want to live in the country - then you are free to move there. But don't try to force the middle of a city to pretend that it is the country too! Thousands of people every year are choosing to live in apartments in the middle of Melbourne rather than some McMansion a million miles from nowhere; not only because of affordability factors; but because of the massive lifestyle benefits derived from higher densities. Having high density housing justifies high density retail, high capacity transport, high concentration of local employment - all things that the boring low density suburbs can never offer. It is not the skyscrapers are not the slums of Australia's future - the recklessly wasteful McMansions that comprise our city's urban sprawl are. So in conclusion, height controls are not needed in the middle of Melbourne. The opposite is true. Height minimums are needed to ensure that precious land resources are not wasted on uneconomical low density land uses in such prime locations as St Kilda Road and South Melbourne. Think big councilors! Don't be bullied into fear of heights by selfish NIMBYs who pretend that they live in the country when they live in the middle of a big city. By focusing urban intensification on transport corridors such as St Kilda Road, Clarendon Street and the 96 Tram, planners can leave most of the South Melbourne area alone whilst achieving the unimaginable social, economic and environmental benefits of increased density. Let's set an example for the rest of Melbourne and make this part of the city as vibrant, interesting and bold as we can. BUILD UP NOT OUT!" 2011-07-22 19:44:35 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-do-you-think-of-the-urban-improvements-concepts kerryn said "Anything to improve our great city is welcome. But for the love of god, get rid of those ridiculous, moth-eaten and badly designed HOME OF THE DIM SIM flapping things in Clarendon Street....because of the poor design, that's what most people think they say. They are a joke, and downright embarrassing. Now we have a Cabaret Festival...how about removing the DIM SIM flappers and replace with Home of The Cabaret Festival? It is a wonderful cultural addition to our city so we should boast about it..not about fatty dim sims for goodness sake. Cheers Kerryn - Emerald Hill Precinct Resident And Occasional Dim Sim Eater " 2011-07-19 20:40:56 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-do-you-think-of-the-new-vision-for-emerald-hill-south-melbourne ozday said "Missed the survey deadline but want to comment on redevelopment plans for SM Town Hall precinct. I am a resident in the area and am appalled to find that the various planning and concept documents make NO reference at all to the fact that the precinct is surrounded by residential areas to the west and south but gives no consideration to the impact of the proposed redesign and especially the introduction of outdoor events on local residents. Yes, many live in social housing, but does that mean they don't have any rights? Shame on you, local government, if you think they don't! And an increasing number of residential properties are privately owned and occupied by rate payers, who generally are alert to their own interests, especially if they have recently paid more than $1million for a new townhouse on the Cecil/Dorcas corner. What steps will be taken to ensure that residents in the precinct are not disturbed by the noise associated with planned events on the town hall forecourt? by the light spill from the proposed night-time lighting of the building? by the potential of rowdy or unsafe behaviour by event-goers drawn to the precinct? by the increased traffic (cars, bikes, pedestrians)? that the streets around the area are not further clogged up with people parking their cars while they attend these events? New development in the area has already led to a significant presence of drunken, noisy club-goers on these residential streets late at night. There is already a big increase in through traffic and people ignoring car parking time limits, which have not been policed regularly for several years. Many residents and their guests have to park on the street and must pay for the privilege, and before the lycra brigade says residents should junk their cars and ride bikes instead, remember that the age profile of local residents is largely elderly and that many of the people living in the area have mobility problems and bikes or for some, even public transport or walking are not an option. In addition, the plans as drawn appear very modernistic do not look particularly respectful of the heritage nature of the area, and it does not seem environmentally responsible to have rate-payer funded mist gardens and spotlights on the town hall facade at a time when household water and electrical bills are skyrocketing. The concept of improving the community role of the town hall and the precinct is a good one and I support it. The concept plan, however, has many flaws and better thinking is called for." 2011-06-21 12:56:39 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/do-you-have-any-ideas-for-reducing-community-greenhouse-emissions-through-transport-waste-electricity-gas-or-other Adrian Jackson said "Stop flying as much; I have not flown on an aeroplane since 1987. Build clean green nuclear plants to eventually replace coal plants. Keep selling the coal to China and India; we dont care if they have a bit of sooty nastyness as they are so far away when Australia can exploit them for the benefit of our ecomomy. If we did not have coal exports our economy would be like Greece or Zimbabwe (Southern Rhodesia) " 2011-06-12 23:10:09 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-are-the-major-issues-in-this-area Adrian Jackson said "Ryan I think its Thistlewaite St (not you option which has got a former Labour MP's name mixed in). Thistlewaite St is only a short service street not a major through street so some flexibility is need if goods are being unloaded. " 2011-06-12 21:49:21 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-opportunities-would-you-like-to-see-developed Adrian Jackson said "All inner city areas should be mixed. Shops and cafes etc on the ground level and 4 or 5 floor apartments on top. However we need the odd car and other repair facility as well a furniture and appliance retailers for residents and businesses. " 2011-06-12 21:42:05 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-are-the-major-issues-in-this-area Adrian Jackson said "Residents need to have off street parking as street parking can not be guaranteed nor is it a right. Public roads are just that public roads. If a resident has no off street parking and 2 cars but there is only one space in front of the single fronted terrace house than they create a problem for themselves. At my and other homes in Middle Park where I live we have off street parking and 90 degree parking out front (4 space in front of my house) but there are no resident permits or parking restrictions which is fine and fair. I agree angle and preferably 90 degree bays need to be marked in high demand areas like South Melbourne. Keep bitching to the council, as I do, about block drains (proactive cleaning before is better that reactive cleaning after it floods) " 2011-06-12 21:35:18 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-do-you-think-of-the-new-vision-for-emerald-hill-south-melbourne Adrian Jackson said "OK good you are a ratepayer. This is partly all about how our rates are to be spent. I am not a Liberal and not a "basher" (what ever that is) eithor." 2011-06-10 20:31:15 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-do-you-think-of-the-new-vision-for-emerald-hill-south-melbourne cclambie said "Hi Adrian, I work in City of Port Phillip at the moment, and I own property here (so therefore pay rates). I am not a resident, but have a vested interest in the place. Plus - I regularly use Albert Park Lake and the area. I don't think that I have to justify my beliefs by proving my interests, not like CoPP are asking if we pay rates - if you have an opinion, then state it on here - is an open forum. If I google your name I get a basher who is a liberal - is that you Adrian? I do not live in Camberwell - I did about 12 years ago. I actually reside in the City of Melbourne - where we have an amazing transport strategy going forward with an aim for 80% of trips to be by Pedestrian, Bicycle or PT. I highly recommend CoPP does the same. C" 2011-06-10 19:40:39 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-do-you-think-of-the-new-vision-for-emerald-hill-south-melbourne Adrian Jackson said "There is only one C Lambie in the telephone book and that person lives in Camberwell. Is that you Craig and if so, while you are entitled to your views, you are hardly a local Port Phillip resident. For the record I have been a resident and later a ratepayer in Middle Park since 1980. " 2011-06-10 19:20:58 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-do-you-think-of-the-new-vision-for-emerald-hill-south-melbourne Adrian Jackson said "All these projects should have the project cost included in the document. I understand the proposed budget this one is about $4,000,000 over a few years. I do not support a permanent closure of streets just because an event may happen in it from time to time. I do not support a reduction on parking spaces as we like our cars in Port Phillip. The proposed square in from of the former South Melbourne Town Hall looks OK but will it be a windswept dead zone if the people do not come and the stall do not happen. Remember Cleve Gardens, St Kilda, had semi circular concrete seats placed on Fitzroy St 10 years ago for the Aborigines to set up stalls but nothing happened and they (the seats) were removed recently. The former Australia Post mail room (hijacked by Save Albert Park for over 10 years) would make a good cafe with outdoor dining seating in the area out front which would get the sunlight (like Southbank on the South side) and a good market rent could charged for its use too. I will drop into the consultation on 14 Jun 11 before I make further comment. " 2011-06-10 19:00:38 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-are-the-issues-that-should-be cclambie said "1. Medium Density in the inner city is a must to continue to be a prosperous, amazing city! I am not sure how high 60m is, but seems about right - I would suggest 10 stories. 2. Agreed Completely 3. Absolutely disagree - Car spaces mean cars on roads! Bike parking, easy access to PT, Med density near business centres (High walkability) - No Car spaces should be a theme in new Developments 4. The wasted land in set backs is ridiculous, how many people do you know that hang out in their front yards? 5. Interesting thought, agree should be considered, or ensured Developers are asked to put part of profit into local community" 2011-06-07 15:22:03 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-are-the-issues-that-should-be Capri212 said "I agree with the above comments." 2011-05-31 12:08:27 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-do-you-think-of-the-new-vision-for-emerald-hill-south-melbourne cclambie said "Looks like a great idea to me! Love the idea of closing Daly st for events, being the North side of the Town Hall it will be a wonderful place to hang out in the winter. Improving the south side of the town hall is also a great idea, the area is commonly used for sitting and enjoying the outdoors on a warm winters day, the new trees will be great in the Summer to provide shelter and green the area up a little from the concrete feeling it currently has. Happy with reduced car parking around the town hall, this area has great public transportation, a bicycle access. There is no need for people to drive here. Maybe asking a car share company to put a pod nearby will help local citizens adjust. I would also call for on street permits to be increased in price (supply/ demand theory) Thanks @CraigLambie" 2011-05-31 10:47:39 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-are-the-major-issues-in-this-area ryangray said "Double parking and parking on the footpath is a major problem in Thistlethwaite Street and the council does not seem to enforce any restrictions. Is the Council happy to see the parking laws ignored ?" 2011-05-29 23:04:41 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-community-services-in-the-area blanchehiggins said "I agree with the above comment. I really believe that St Kilda Rd needs more work on the community aspect. The Fawkner Park dog walking community shows that residents are not inherently anti social - there are a wide variety of people that socialise in the park, with the dogs as a mediator. However, there is very little else in the area that facilitates this. The dog community is a really encouraging example of people overcoming differences - there are many ethnicities represented, many ages, various income groups. I would really like to see the CoPP work to encourage the uptake of community gardens which are non-existent in the area as far as I know. Theyhave heaps of benefits, and I believe one of the greatest ones would be encouraging people to bring their children up in the area. High density living is really sustainable, but why should families have to live in the suburbs? More children friendly sites would be great, for example playgrounds within apartment complexes, or at least gates so that parents can sit in the common area without fear that the child may run on the road. I would like to see mixed tenure within both apartments and commercial business, increasing social inclusion in the area. Thanks!" 2011-05-28 18:44:02 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/waht-do-you-think-about-the-infrastructure blanchehiggins said "Clearly CoPP has little control over public transport. However, it needs to be noted that despite the high amount and frequency of trams, they are always packed at peak hour. Collaboration with Yarra Trams is clearly paramount in discussions of increasing density. I firmly believe that the bike lane should be on the inside of the parked cars - I have been so close to being hit by a car door so many times, but most of these cars do not have any one on the passenger side. However, I don't know if this is a VicRoads responsibility. Unfortunately for all the car users, petrol is going to get increasingly expensive, as is parking, the car itself, etc. Car use needs to be minimised and increasing the road space available for cars is proven not to reduce congestion but to actually encourage car use and congestion. All ideas for increasing public transport and bike use is to be applauded. Car users will disagree as this makes them uncomfortable, maybe council can work to engage the community in sustainable transport - e.g. many international residents may have not had the opportunity to learn to ride a bike as a kid, which we take for granted. Free community classes on riding bikes, road rules and basic mechanics may encourage bike use. Ther are also insufficient bike racks along most of the road, considering how many bikes use the road. " 2011-05-28 18:38:01 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-are-the-issues-that-should-be blanchehiggins said "I would like to suggest that new apartment buildings have car shares rather than one car park per apartment. I see no reason why any resident of St Kilda Rd should need to use a car every day. Medium/High density living is a great step towards sustainable cities but only if it is managed properly, and a car park per apartment will only lead to congestion and pollution. Car shares are becoming quite popular in Melbourne and one within your own apartment complex could not be more convenient and affordable. They could be managed by a car share company or by the body corporate. This would reduce costs for each individual as well. I agree that a maximum height of 60m is a good idea, as natural light is important, especially if wishing to grow plants. Community gardens are also growing in popularity and it would be great to see new apartments incorporating this into the design. The positive benefits of community gardens are many - increased mental and physical health, increased social capital, increased food security, decreased food miles. It would be nice to see the bottom floors of new buildings dedicated to community services rather than more carbon copy cafes. I would hate to live in an apartment where the only common area was actually owned by a business. Gardens are a much better alternative. I also think that St Kilda Rd is a great place to live because of its proximity to jobs - however it is important to ensure that it does not become a ghetto of the privileged only. Spatial segregation leads to inequality which leads to unhappiness of all and decreasing social capital. Therefore, I would like to see mixed tenure within apartment buildings - minimum amounts of social housing per building. This will increase diversity in the area which at the moment is largely lacking. New corporate buildings should include spaces reserved for not for profits as well so as to increase the opportunities for them. Higher density living should contribute to sustainability, but only if it is managed well. CABE's 20 criteria for 'Building for Life' are a great guide - http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20110118095356/http://www.cabe.org.uk/files/delivering-great-places-to-live.pdf . Thank you for the opportunity to discuss this, it is a significant opportunity to create a great future. " 2011-05-28 18:19:26 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-are-the-issues-that-should-be Mrs mangel said "Partly agree. Yes we need to stop urban sprawl, but we don't need 30 story buildings every where. St Kilda rd area should be around 15 stories (medium rise) and less when it impacts sensitive area like victorian heritage cottages ie like pal eaton, Cobden st etc). " 2011-05-27 21:23:19 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/do-you-have-any-ideas-for-reducing-community-greenhouse-emissions-through-transport-waste-electricity-gas-or-other cclambie said "April, I think you have some great ideas there. I also have the idea of BYO containers, I call it BYObowl.org, I recently created a Facebook Page too http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bring-Your-Own-Bowl/213433792014438 I am also looking at ways to make "community Compost" work well, I call it the Bokashi Swap program. It would probably work in PPCC too (I am looking at implementing it in the Melbourne City area where I reside) - Just created a quick Facebook page for this too http://www.facebook.com/pages/Indoor-Compost-Waste-nothing/117647898318878?sk=wall Love the fix it idea :) I would also love to see a community tool sharing collective, so you can borrow things you only need occasionally from a local storage place. With an ebay style rate the last user of the tool system, so that abusers get blocked from the system, and good users rewarded. " 2011-05-27 11:46:33 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/tell-us-what-you-think-is-important-about-living-in-port-melbourne juszz said "I agree with the focus on land and water recreation, healthy activities, reducing traffic congestion and community activities around pastimes like swimming and sailing. But I don't understand at all how these ideas are compatible with tacky tourist markets, or where this idea of having a crummy flea market in Port Melbourne keeps coming from. And a further observation on the "What if" destinations given, one supposes, as 'shining examples' of what Port Melbourne might be like if we don't watch out, I don't know if the author has ever spent any time in Venice Beach, Pier 39 or on the banks of the Seine in Paris, but while they might look good on a post card, these are grubby, awful, charmless places full of low lifes, drug pushers, crappy tourist souvenir stores and fast food outlets, homeless bums and pickpockets. The locals in these cities have long since left these locations for dead as destinations to avoid at all costs. Let's now screw the pooch, keep Port Melbourne for the people who actually live here. I hear Greensborough needs some sprucing up though, maybe they could use a tacky flea market over in Grimshaw st. " 2011-05-26 17:03:13 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-are-the-issues-that-should-be Apartment said "The intention of this review is so that CoPP and the State Govt can increase the heights of buildings in our precinct and increase the number of people living here. That is going to happen so let us think about what additional services we might need given that." 2011-05-24 20:17:58 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/waht-do-you-think-about-the-infrastructure Apartment said "Whilst VicRoads may have responsibility for the road that is St Kilda Rd, I would still like to think that the CoPP is advocating on behalf of its residents- issues about that road. Here is one thing I want fixed...Since the 'super' tram stop went in in front of 618 and 620 St K R, the water on the inside roadway is prone to flooding. The water gets trapped between the grass strip and the tram stop. Improved drainage is required" 2011-05-24 20:08:43 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-do-you-think-about-the-community-services-in-the-area Apartment said "I think the CoPP needs to consider the growing neighbourhood of St Kilda Road have cultural needs too. Where are our public artworks, where are our free music events? All we get on St Kilda Road is a grand prix we don't want and people running on roadways blocking access to our properties and leaving litter. (Councils spend millions building and maintaining sporting ovals and these twits want to run on the roads!)" 2011-05-24 20:04:09 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-are-the-issues-that-should-be Apartment said "As an owner occupier of an apartment on St Kilda Road, I am happy to see more high rise development. People need homes and greater Melbourne is such a massive sprawl. I don't think we can continue to be NIMBY about this. There are advantages to development as well as disadvantages. More people will bring more amenities - a wider range of shops - hey even a decent supermarket, and a wider range of services and for longer hours. " 2011-05-24 19:56:44 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-do-you-think-of-the-community-garden-design Your Say said "The Mary&Basil Community Garden is open to all community, as highlighted through extensive advertising in local media as well as a series of open public consultations. The current garden membership consists of an eclectic mix of people from a variety of backgrounds who have found the process of getting involved quite fair and open. If you would like to register your interest by emailing swethera@portphillip.vic.gov.au you will be guaranteed a response. " 2011-05-23 16:22:51 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-are-the-issues-that-should-be KJA said "I agree that we do not want St Kilda Rd to be like the CBD. The lower the height limit the better and although a limit of 10 floors would be desirable I am not sure that it would be possible to reduce the current height limits without strong objection from current building owners. However, there is no reason at all to increase these limits or allow exemptions from them" 2011-05-22 16:59:08 +1000 http://haveyoursayatportphillip.net.au/topic/what-are-the-issues-that-should-be KJA said "Possibly no need for 1.5 spaces per apartment as a reasonable number of apartment dwellers do not have a car, but I strongly agree with the other points made by this contributor. It amazes me that it seems so easy for developers to get exemptions from height and other controls that have been designed into a district scheme for very good reason. I also think that there is a need to keep in mind the changing predominant use of buildings in St Kilda Rd. St Kilda Rd is quite quickly changing from commercial to residential and presumably this trend will continue. The height and spacing of buildings needs to take this change into account. Users of commercial buildings typically use artificial light, and privacy from the next building is not very important, but for residential use the availability of good natural light and as much privacy as possible from adjoining buildings is essential. The set back from the road has been an extremely important part of making the road as attractive as it is and must be enforced in all cases." 2011-05-22 16:52:31 +1000